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[helot]

For over a century now, almost every party with majority support at election time has captured state power.

The party is not the working class.

And we now have much broader suffrage, so surely this is less relevant not more? The participation in parliament would be for propagating socialism.

I wasn't saying anything on that other than that Marx's views on it are irrelevant due to his position of ignorance on the matter.

The SPGB do not argue that there is dichotomy between voting or doing nothing.

Never said they did.


doesnt answer my questions though nor prove anything to do with its efficacy.

[The Idler]

The party is not the working class.

Sure, but Majority support = the working-class

I wasn't saying anything on that other than that Marx's views on it are irrelevant due to his position of ignorance on the matter.

Are you trying to explain why capturing state power including using the ballot would not work in the 21st Century or the 19th Century, or are you just dismissing Marx as ignorant.

Never said they did.

You dismissed electioneering as a waste of time and the ballot box as a facade in favour of organising in our communities and our workplaces. Why not both?

doesnt answer my questions though nor prove anything to do with its efficacy.

The working-class majority regularly endorses the ruling-class parties with the ballot every election time. This ballot is much more efficient than a coup or civil war.

[Sam_b]

well I took a look at the International Socialist Group page titled About us

Oh Christ, that's not even an argument. Whether or not I find an organisation inspiring has nothing to do with the organisation I am a member of, indeed since it's not a comparison and never has been one. It's a shame you've gone back to your usual style of deflection though when someone passes a comment on your pet organisation.

[The Idler]

So far, we're all in the dark as to why you commented that you find the SPGB "uninspiring". I doubt you have ever met any SPGBers let alone had anything experience close to working with them. This itself wouldn't be a problem, but a lot of misleading and inaccurate statements are made about the SPGB a lot on revleft, including for example the alleged "purely parliamentary approach" in the topic on the Tulse Hill, London by-election at the moment.

In previous topics where the SPGB has come up, completely baseless unsupported assertions have been made before. "Uninspiring" could be the new one, kind of like the opposite of "utopian" since that hasn't stuck.

As for comparing with the politics of the ISG, this is the non-sectarian approach rather than sectarians saying my politics are correct because that is the group I'm in.

[Sam_b]

but a lot of misleading and inaccurate statements are made about the SPGB a lot on revleft, including for example the alleged "purely parliamentary approach" in the topic on the Tulse Hill, London by-election at the moment.

I hope you're not trying to bring me into this via some sort of weird association as I haven't said anything of the sort.

In previous topics where the SPGB has come up, completely baseless unsupported assertions have been made before. "Uninspiring" could be the new one, kind of like the opposite of "utopian" since that hasn't stuck.

I'm not particularly inspired by a bunch of old white men sitting in a room, or indeed their magazine which I have bought when I see SPGB members on the annual May Day march. I'm not particularly inspired at an organisation which in these times thinks the most important thing is to release a pamphlet about using parliament. I've pretty much not been inspired by them ever since one of their candidates got into a back-and-forth with one of my pals on the old SSY internet forum during a by-election (Livingston? Maybe?) in 2005 odd. Of course your line of reasoning here is disingenous for the reason that anything I say here you will no doubt call 'baseless' and will bring up a part of the ISG's webpage to show how the SPGB are a better organisation. This is how you work on Revleft.

As for comparing with the politics of the ISG, this is the non-sectarian approach rather than sectarians saying my politics are correct because that is the group I'm in.

Please show me some quotes highlighting where I've said my politics are correct because I am a member of the ISG. Yet again more dishonesty.

[Sam_b]

For those interested, the SPGB came last with eleven votes. TUSC, however, were able to beat both UKIP and the Tories, which I would never have predicted.

http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/C...tionResult.htm

[The Idler]

I hope you're not trying to bring me into this via some sort of weird association as I haven't said anything of the sort.

To be clear, that refutation is not aimed at you. I'm not saying you made the "purely parliamentary" claim, it was made by Semendyaev.

I'm not particularly inspired by a bunch of old white men sitting in a room, or indeed their magazine which I have bought when I see SPGB members on the annual May Day march. I'm not particularly inspired at an organisation which in these times thinks the most important thing is to release a pamphlet about using parliament. I've pretty much not been inspired by them ever since one of their candidates got into a back-and-forth with one of my pals on the old SSY internet forum during a by-election (Livingston? Maybe?) in 2005 odd. Of course your line of reasoning here is disingenous for the reason that anything I say here you will no doubt call 'baseless' and will bring up a part of the ISG's webpage to show how the SPGB are a better organisation. This is how you work on Revleft.

I stand corrected, its not baseless.

Please show me some quotes highlighting where I've said my politics are correct because I am a member of the ISG. Yet again more dishonesty.

I'm not saying that is your view but this attitude is the view of some users on revleft.
I acknowledge the results of the election you shared.