Probably, but not the evil concentration camp thing that people think of when you say 'labour camp'. Why not use prisoners for labour? Also, don't prisoners already do some labour in prisons?
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would we have labor camps in a socialist state?
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Probably, but not the evil concentration camp thing that people think of when you say 'labour camp'. Why not use prisoners for labour? Also, don't prisoners already do some labour in prisons?
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I feel like they would turn into gulags
Not if it's run by society as a whole. Any sort of prison could become some terrible gulag, labor camp or not.I feel like they would turn into gulags
Prisons nor labor camps should be neccesary under socialism. Take away the incentive for crime an punish the rare crimes that still occur either with social isolation or as mental issues depending on their nature. I've yet to hear any valid justification for labor camps.
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Social isolation? That seems pretty harsh. Unless you mean rehabilitation centers, which would be fine. I'm not too sure on what Socialist society would look like or shape into. It would be up to the people if it is a real Socialist society.
That social isolation will be what we call prison. Labor camps are just prisons where prisoners are made productive to society, but I could see how they could become gulags with an authoritarian, non-socialist government ie the USSR.
i think you're a bit off the tracks if you want to take any kind of example from the current prison system, mate
"labour camp" has pretty strong connotations of forced labour and that's pretty vile and dehumanising even in a post-revolutionary society. the point of imprisonment should be rehabilitation and ensuring the safety of everyone and as we overall shouldn't be forcing people to work, we shouldn't force prisoners to work because that honestly bears no relevance whatsoever to the process.
it's not a labour camp if it just a place where willing people work, it's a workplace.
Point taken. I retract my support for labour camps.
EDIT: My support for labour camps did not refer to USSR labour camps and gulags.
What? Support for fucking labour-camps?
I thought we were for socialism, not right-opposition forced-collectivisation USSR.
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What if laboring for society is a part of rehabilitation? Many indigenous communities and small towns with a minimal state require labor from people to rehabilitate them into society. As much as anything else such practices allow for forgiveness.
The bad thing about both a prison and what most people think of when they read "labor camp" is the relative institutionalization and isolation from outside society, which means that (1) the public at large is oblivious to the kind of treatment of the people imprisoned (2) the people imprisoned are equally alienated from the victims of their anti-social behavior as well as everyone else, and (3) there is an institutional power which has a political and economic interest in pushing for harsher conditions and greater levels of incarceration.
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Jesus Christ. How about no?
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Social isolation was a bad word choice. I don't mean like solitary confinement and they can't talk to humanity. I mean like suppose if you commit a certain crime your access to certain resources like say the Internet might be cut or something like that or if you did something worse you'd be temporary exiled from certain aspects of the community or something like that. I don't know why I chose to use the word social isolation honestly, it was a poor decision.
But anyways without the incentive for the vast majority of crimes I don't see this as a huge issue.
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who said i supported labor camps?
I don't think he was talking to you...
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Just delete your posts no one will see
I wasn't responding to you, Billy. Someone else in the thread had expressed support for them. What you asked is a perfectly reasonable question.
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Non-working class social layers should be sent to labour camps to learn, understand, and appreciate the value of labour. Only then will they be able to re-enter the society of the working-man, a society of, by and for the workng-man.
What will we do with counter revolutionaries, then? Execute them? Why can't they be of use to society? A corpse is good to no one.
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