Do you want to destroy the family?

[Tautininkas]

The family unit is the basis of civilization period.

Do you want to destroy it?

If you answer my question in the affirmative, why and what will you replace it with?

[Sasha]

yes, we want to make your wife a radical feminist lesbian, we want to forcibly gay marry you to a leatherclad bear, we want to send your kids into white slavery at the court of a black communist dictator, we want to paint your church red with the blood of christian babies, we want to set fire to your ikea and your SUV, we want to rape your labrador with the broken pieces of your white picketed fence.
we want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.

[Questionable]

Yes. The bourgeois family is the nucleus for capitalist society. It will be abolished and domestic labor will become socialized.

That's the plan, anyway. Who really knows what form familial relations will take after the revolution?

[Djoko]

Familly, as we know it, appeared as a result of private property that passed from father to son. It's logical to think that when private property dissapear, familly will change it's form drastically with time if don't dissapear completely.

[Tautininkas]

yes, we want to make your wife a radical feminist lesbian, we want to forcibly gay marry you to a leatherclad bear, we want to send your kids into white slavery at the court of a black communist dictator, we want to paint your church red with the blood of christian babies, we want to set fire to your ikea and your SUV, we want to rape your dog with the broken pieces of your white picketed fence.
we want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.

I hope you're not revlefts exemplary poster par excellence. Are you capable of having a discussion without degenerating into a passive aggressive teenager?

[GiantMonkeyMan]

The family unit is the basis of civilization period.

What a ridiculous assertion; that 50% of the population need to be oppressed in order to have a basis for 'civilisation'. If that's your concept of civilisation then I want no part of it and will aid its destruction in any way I can. The concept of the family unit has been slowly destroyed in recent history anyway and good riddence.

[Brutus]

Communist manifesto:
Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

[Paul Pott]

The family unit is the basis of civilization period.

No it isn't, particularly not the western nuclear family.

Do you want to destroy it?

If you mean 'abolish it by decree', no. If you mean 'eliminate the primacy of the husband', yes. Conservative politics tends to view them as the same.

[Sasha]

I hope you're not revlefts exemplary poster par excellence. Are you capable of having a discussion without degenerating into a passive aggressive teenager?

My reply was no more a proposturous emotional red herring than your question.
Besides, I gave you the exact confirmative answer you came here to get didn't I?

[Fourth Internationalist]

It depends on how you define 'the family'.

[Questionable]

It depends on how you define 'the family'.

Clearly he's referring to the television drama that aired in the 1970s.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't see why communists have to destroy the family, when capitalism seems to be handily destroying it without our help. It looks like the family will have been completely eradicated by proletarian immiseration and the pursuit of profit by the time the radical left gets its shit together.

[rednordman]

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[Fourth Internationalist]

The family unit is the basis of civilization period.

Do you want to destroy it?

If you answer my question in the affirmative, why and what will you replace it with?

Yes and no. Say a group of people decide to live in a community where there is no family unit. Who is to say they cannot do that and raise their children non-family based? Say two adults want to create a family. Why should we tell them they cannot do so? Also, who would enforce something like this in communism? There would be no state to enforce such a thing.

But the bourgeois family that is based on private property, yes, will be abolished because there will be no private property (which is different from personal property).

[PC LOAD LETTER]

The whole archetypal western nuclear family is pretty much a myth now. There's nothing left to destroy. I didn't grow up in an idealized nuclear family, and most of my friends didn't either. I turned out fine, and so did they.

OP, I suggest you enroll in a local community college's anthropology courses, cultural anthropology, it will be fairly cheap and they will go in depth within the history and mutability of the so-called family unit. Failing that, National Geographic did an excellent article on the Hadza people a few years ago, one of the oldest surviving societies; it, too, contradicts the notion that the western nuclear family is the ... natural state of things. Here's the link, it's a great read at about 13 pages: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...za/finkel-text

There are no wedding ceremonies. A couple that sleeps at the same fire for a while may eventually refer to themselves as married. Most of the Hadza I met, men and women alike, were serial monogamists, changing spouses every few years. Onwas is an exception; he and his wife, Mille, have been with each other all their adult lives, and they have seven living children and several grandchildren. There was a bevy of children in the camp, with the resident grandmother, a tiny, cheerful lady named Nsalu, running a sort of day care while the adults were in the bush. Except for breast-feeding infants, it was hard to determine which kids belonged to which parents.

[#FF0000]

The family unit is the basis of civilization period.

No

Do you want to destroy it?

If you answer my question in the affirmative, why and what will you replace it with?

What constitutes a "family" changes as societies do. The nuclear family is a product of urban, industrial, capitalist society. Changing society is going to change "the family" no matter what one might want.

[Tim Cornelis]

"Family" by today's standard gradually emerged with proto-industrialisation in the 16th century only, hardly the "basis" for civilisation which predates it by thousands of years. Personally, I'm emotionally attached to the notion of a 'family' when I imagine myself with children, so in that sense I do not "want" to "destroy" the "family". Rationally, communal upbringing is highly likely to decrease social problems that arises in wrongful upbringing today. In the Netherlands 1 and 5 children is subject to abuse, 1 in 3 amongst migrant families. Today's family structure enables such abuse enclosed within the walls of the family's home. We may want to ask ourselves what entitles someone to be a parent? Is the mere ability to have sex sufficient reason to allow such immense authority over a child? Or should we raise our children in an environment tested by pedagogical science?

[WelcomeToTheParty]

Without property marriage as we know it just doesn't exist and that should be celebrated. No one is trying to stop you from committing to monogamy, just the creation of situations where one spouse depends on the other and therefore is open to abuse.

[Revenant]

The family unit is the basis of civilization period.

Do you want to destroy it?

If you answer my question in the affirmative, why and what will you replace it with?

I don't really think communism will be too much about destroying things, I think it's more about widening the concepts of family and love to include more than just 1 person, or those that could be said in Law to be one's property.

I think the American and Aboriginal tribes understood this reality, the elders of the community were the parents, the mediators, structure, the men of the community were the warriors and hunters, the expansive force acting on the world, the women the magnetic force that the men returned to, and who gave form and structure to the expansive force, the interplay of these two force within the confines and traditions instituted by the elders gave rise to the next generation and so on.

There was none of this Mr and Mrs Jones and the next door neighbour trying to keep up with them, at some point (possibly in the garden of Eden) it became customary to divide the community into separate self contained patriarchies.1

[Ele'ill]

is this going to be one of those users who makes a thread like this and then never returns to it