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Would you support revolutions of a different sect than yours?
So yeah, pretty self explanatory, but to what extent would you guys support or participate in revolutions guided by a different communist/anarchist ideology than the one you follow? Personally I'm an anarcho-communist but I'd participate in any revolution guided by libertarian socialism, or even some types of more centralized socialism (e.g. Trotskyism), provided I could be convinced it wouldn't just be another Russia 2.0 or something.
What about you all?
Edit: Sorry should say 'tendency' in the title, not 'sect'.
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If I am convinced that the revolution is genuinely revolutionary leftist and proletarian in nature regardless of its particular category under this spectrum than I would, but I wouldn't support a revolution that I didn't feel genuinely embodied revolutionary left ideals.
Yes because while a theory might guide a revolution, "sects" never make revolutions, the working class does. Now while a theory can result in praxis that leds up to the point of successful praxis, a revolution exists beyond it's theoretical roots. The reason I am an MLM isn't because I think that I have somehow discovered some "true' version of Marxism while other Marxisms are "false", I simply think that my tendency has a history of theory and praxis that is generally better at creating the point of revolution. Likewise, if the impossiblists ever got around to making a revolution I'd support it, but I'm not an impossiblist because I don't think their methods could ever get to the point of an impossiblist revolution actually existing.
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Once the revolution starts sects/party politics/issue groups will become irrelevant. We can sort out our differences in the newly created organs of workers' democracy. The reactionary counter-revolution will line us all up against the wall if they could, regardless of what branch of ideology we ascribe to.
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Well, the revolution itself doesn't really subscribe to one tendency. Revolution is a violent change of society, carried out by the masses and often not at the most expected moment of history. Obviously, the intellectual leading figures of a revolution differ already in their various ideological standpoints but that won't play a decisive political role until the revolution is over and the organization of new society begins. If I saw a crowd of leftist revolutionaries march on Berlusconi's luxurious villas, I'd join them regardless of wether they carried banners of Bakunin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Che or Rosa Luxemburg. After the revolution, I'd begin to worry if the post-revolutionary politics will go in what I consider to be the right direction.
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Well, I have to agree with the Maoist, the Stalinist and the Trotskyist on this one.
Revolutions are made by the working class, not by either tendencies or sects. If the working class is busy making a revolution of course I'm going to be involved. Trying to get it not to hand itself over to the counter-revolutionaries, even if it thinks it wants to.
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Yeah you guys are all totally right and it was a poorly worded question. What I mean by "revolution of a different tendency" is not a revolution carried out of course not with one group, ideology or whatever. What I mean is a revolution for example where the majority working class carrying the revolution subscribes to a particular ideology (Trotskyism, anarcho-communism, etc.) which serves to guide the methods of carrying out revolution. But yes I agree with the sentiment you guys are putting out, and I realize there's not going to be like an "Official Regulation Lenin Revolution 2.0™" or something like that.
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Say everyone is currently eating s**t. One day, a group of people decide that we should start eating apples instead. Personally, I would rather eat oranges than apples. Should I support the revolutionaries?
That would depend if I would rather eat s**t or apples.
What if another group suggests that we should start eating twice as much s**t, or that we should start eating broken glass? The question is the same, would I rather keep eating the s**t I'm eating now, or eat twice as much s**t or start eating broken glass?
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Yeah, I would as long as it is committed to democracy. So Leninism is a no-no. Non-Leninist/libertarian Marxism, that'd be fine with me.
Yes, so long as it seems genuinely emancipatory I would probably support such a revolution. However, I would remain in my own groups etc. (should I ever get around to seriously committing to one lol). Of course, I feel that my position is flawed in that if I should choose badly or based on flawed perceptions, it will not go very well for me personally.
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I wouldn't support a revolution with a specific sect in charge.
I'd be involved in any revolution where i live even if it's doomed to failure and even if its inherently reactionary. I'd be advocating expropriation, the working class being in direct control and rationing based on need for the inevitability of production being chaotic until its properly reorganised.
Is there another option? There's no point sitting on your hands waiting to see what happens. You'd have to get involved, itd be on your doorstep ffs. As to whether i'd support events etc would depend entirely on what they are
I will support a revolution by any communist tendency. That includes anarchists, Trots, left-communists, Hoxhaists and every other tendency that you can name. I will support their revolution as soon as they start one.
Heh says so much about your politics. Revolutions aren't started by 'tendencies' or 'pro-revolutionaries.' The emancipation of the working class, must be the act of the working class themselves.
I very much doubt that a working class active enough to emancipate itself is going to start looking towards the politics of early-mid 20th century world leaders for their politics.
I would support any revolution as long as it is not led by Harpal Brar, Bob Avakian, and the Maoist Rebel News guy.
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Leninism is democratic- ask any leninistYeah, I would as long as it is committed to democracy. So Leninism is a no-no. Non-Leninist/libertarian Marxism, that'd be fine with me.
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Assuming we don't want to eat apples, maybe eating apples is better than eating s*** so we could go along with that for now as that is going on and when the quest for oranges is at hand we could go for that.
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So the measure of democracy is whether a Leninist claims a state is democratic? Not very materialist of you.
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