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    By As'ad AbuKhalil - Sun, 2013-05-05 10:38- Angry Corner


    There is no mystery anymore. Israel has been a major player in the Syrian conflict. The Syrian conflict has been an open arena for all the enemies of Syria – dubbed for historical irony as “friends of Syria” – to help themselves to the destruction of Syria the country and not the regime. In fact, all the enemies of Syria would have preferred a deal that would keep the regime intact in order to reassure Israel.

    Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey were the visible players in Syria, but US and Israel were not far behind (or ahead). After all, the Western media are quite explicit that Qatar and Saudi Arabia would not act without the consent and orders from the White House. This is the second major bombing by Israel in Syria, but Israel has been most likely – as it was in Iraq – complicit in the assassinations of Syrian scientists and its opponents. There has never been a civil war or an internal conflict in the Arab world in which Israel has not played a major role. Some American media noted the presence of Mossad agents in Syria; Free Syrian Army gangs have been working with them.


    The US and Israel have decided that the war criminal gangs of the FSA are the chosen militias that can receive US (and presumably Israeli) military aid. Those are very much like the warlords of Afghanistan: criminals who are willing to chant the right slogans and to issue the right press releases in return for large sums of cash and Western assistance.

    Watching Saudi and Qatari media today was a return to the past: the spokespeople (let us call them spokesmen as they all are men in this pitiful “revolution” that was ostensibly led by secular and feminist women, according to the early pre-prepared narrative in the Western media and college campus presentations) of the Syrian exile opposition were actually gleeful that their country is being bombed by Israel. They used the same language that Bashir Gemayyel used to justify his relationship with Israel during the long years of the Lebanese civil war (and prior). They spoke about accepting help from anyone, “even Satan.” We know this code language. And some spokesmen of the opposition started to play their assigned role in the Israeli psychological operation by suddenly announcing that “large sections” of the Syrian Army have started to defect basically as soon as the bombing had begun.

    This was never a “revolution”. I among other leftists in Lebanon signed a petition early on after the events in Deraa in which we denounced the regime and mocked and dismissed its narrative of armed groups roaming the country and shooting at people. I now figure that I was dead wrong: I do believe that armed groups were pre-prepared and armed to strike when orders (from Israel and GCC countries) arrive. They had a mission and it had nothing to do with the cause of liberation of Syria from a tyrannical regime.

    The regime is still silent; probably resorting to its dreaded line about determining “the time and place of the battle with Israel.” But the battle never comes and responses to Israeli attacks never come either. The Golan is still occupied and the regime (like the opposition) is only willing to use its firepower inside Syria (or inside Lebanon in previous years) but not against Israel. Similarly, the Syrian armed groups have been flirting with Israel for a while now and their game has been exposed today. Their token statement of “neutrality” is belied by the statements of opposition “activists” on various opposition Facebook pages.


    The US government and media play their usual roles. Never question what Israel does anywhere in the world. Justifications are provided instantly, and it was not a coincidence that the New York Times had a front page story about poor little Israel and how it has to fend for itself to defend itself from the conflict and turmoil in Syria. Only a week ago, David Ignatius of the Washington Post, having received different propaganda marching orders from the Israeli government, reported that Israel was in fact calm and just enjoying the carnage in Syria.


    The conflict in Syria has long been outside of the hands of the Syrian people. It is not that a local-internal conflict became regional and international over a two years period. No, it was regional-international from the start. The US and its clients in the Arab counter-revolution movement were ready to steer Arab uprisings in a direction that pleases US and Israel. The fall of Mubarak required the fall of the Assad regime although the US and Israel are discovering that they can continue to do business with the Muslim Brotherhood.

    This is not to say that the Syrian people don’t have more than a hundred reasons to overthrow the Syrian regime. They do, but this was not about the underlying causes of revolt in Syria. The Qatari, Saudi, Turkish, Israeli, and US beef with the Syrian regime was never about democracy. The Syrian regime had brutally repressed revolts and uprisings before and there were no criticisms heard and the Saudi government (and later the Qatari) was willing to bankroll the Assad dynasty provided that the two work together in Lebanon and in the region.

    It is not that the there is no Syrian revolution (and there is not), but the outcome of the conflict in Syria is now certainly not going to be democratic. You can make that prediction on the basis of the sponsors of the “revolutionaries” and the ideology (and practices) of the active armed groups in Syria. But the Syrian armed groups are being fooled by US and Israel into thinking that the Syrian throne is now within their reach, while the two sides hope for a longer protracted conflict that would exhaust and fatigue the entire Syrian nation and would distract them from considering harming Israeli interests.

    The Syrian regime has shown in the past that it was willing to do business under the table with Israel. The Syrian National Coalition and all the active armed groups in Syria have proven that they are willing to align with Israel before they reach power and to do business over the table. That can only bode ill for the future of Syria.

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    Can we just go ahead and claim that any popular movement anywhere on the planet is actually an Israeli psyop in advance, just so I can stop reading it in every article that gets posted.
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    Sure, just like we claimed that the Syrian rebellion is still somehow a popular revolution.
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    Sure, just like we claimed that the Syrian rebellion is still somehow a popular revolution.
    It isn't? It is a mass cross-class revolution, that is a popular revolution.
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    Sure, just like we claimed that the Syrian rebellion is still somehow a popular revolution.
    I mean the protests before the war and the early street fighting, which the author and countless others like him apparently now believe was a Zionist plot all along. But I agree with Tim, if it was not still a popular movement it would have been crushed months ago no matter how much foreign support they're receiving.
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    did u read the articles. where does he say it a zionist plot.
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    This was never a “revolution”. I among other leftists in Lebanon signed a petition early on after the events in Deraa in which we denounced the regime and mocked and dismissed its narrative of armed groups roaming the country and shooting at people. I now figure that I was dead wrong: I do believe that armed groups were pre-prepared and armed to strike when orders (from Israel and GCC countries) arrive. They had a mission and it had nothing to do with the cause of liberation of Syria from a tyrannical regime.
    That's literally exactly what it says...
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    did u read the articles. where does he say it a zionist plot.u r either oblivious to history in arab countrys or u just an apologist for zionism.
    i guess it was the syrians who bombed syria
    My response was for this "This was never a “revolution”. I among other leftists in Lebanon signed a petition early on after the events in Deraa in which we denounced the regime and mocked and dismissed its narrative of armed groups roaming the country and shooting at people. I now figure that I was dead wrong: I do believe that armed groups were pre-prepared and armed to strike when orders (from Israel and GCC countries) arrive. They had a mission and it had nothing to do with the cause of liberation of Syria from a tyrannical regime."

    Anyhow I'm not an apologist for anything, Israel using the rebels doesn't mean anything in the long run. When the time comes they'll be more than happy to kill them as well I'm sure. It's likely that the regime was taking too long to collapse and they just want to speed it along so they can begin that next phase.
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    Now, now, the article states "Israel *and* GCC countries". Seeing that gulf states are not "zionist pawns" and are states with their own geopolitical interests, I can hardly think the author implied it was a "zionist plot". It would, after all, not be such a far fetched notion to say that Israel has somewhat of an interest when one regards Syria, that is not anti semitism. Now if someone went along saying that, for example, unrest in europe was Israel's even *partial* doing than a point would stand: Israel as a middle eastern state has little to nothing to do with the domestic affairs of bourgeois states abroad. But a country like Syria, no doubt they could very well be arming rebels, though I doubt they are "behind" them.

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    so why did the zionists get involve
    Turf war. Chance to flex muscles and get away with it. Nobody else could bomb Syria without facing massive repercussions. Except they're coming.
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    Anyhow I'm not an apologist for anything, Israel using the rebels doesn't mean anything in the long run. When the time comes they'll be more than happy to kill them as well I'm sure. It's likely that the regime was taking too long to collapse and they just want to speed it along so they can begin that next phase.
    This is nuts from a socialist perspective. It assumes some sort of natural progress of how the world unfolds, and that it is naturally for the better.

    From the Jerusalem Post:

    McCain: Israeli strikes could force Obama to act on Syria

    Republican senator says alleged Israeli air strikes will put more pressure on Obama administration to intervene in Syria: "Every day that goes by, Hezbollah increases their influence and the radical jihadists flow into Syria."WASHINGTON - Israel's air strikes on Syria could add pressure on the Obama administration to intervene in Syria, a key Republican said on Sunday, but the US government faces tough questions on how it can help without adding to the conflict.

    Hours after Israeli jets bombed Syria on Sunday for the second time in 48 hours, several top US lawmakers voiced concern over the cascading uncertainty in the Middle East where a civil war has been raging in Syria for more than two years.

    Republican Senator John McCain said the latest Israeli air strikes, described by a Western source as attacks on Iranian missiles bound for Lebanon's Hezbollah, will just put more pressure on the administration to act although President Barack Obama has said he has no plans to send ground troops to Syria.

    We need to have a game-changing action, and that is no American boots on the ground, establish a safe zone and to protect it and to supply weapons to the right people in Syria who are fighting, obviously, for the things we believe," McCain said on "Fox News Sunday."
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    so why did the zionists get involve
    Israel is exploiting Syria's civil war paralysis to attack Hezbollah's supply lines.

    Fin.
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    This is nuts from a socialist perspective. It assumes some sort of natural progress of how the world unfolds, and that it is naturally for the better.
    I think you've read really deep into something that's not even there friend.
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    I think you've read really deep into something that's not even there friend.
    Maybe, yeah. I actually have no idea what you were saying.
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    It's a land battle. Israel is hungry as it's not enough just taking land from Palestinians and Egyptians and other Arabs now they wan't a bit of poor Syria. Nothing will stop them from creating greater Israel.

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    Israel is exploiting Syria's civil war paralysis to attack Hezbollah's supply lines.

    Fin.
    The reason they are getting afraid of the disgusting Hezbollah terror militia is that they are not the little militia that was created in Lebanon to protect Shias from Sunnis and christians years ago in their own civil war. They are larger than ever now. And with foreign aid and weaponry pouring in for them from their shia brothers in Iran they could probably be a thorn in Israels side.
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    It's a land battle. Israel is hungry as it's not enough just taking land from Palestinians and Egyptians and other Arabs now they wan't a bit of poor Syria. Nothing will stop them from creating greater Israel.

    Yea, Israel isn't trying to stretch it's borders from the Nile to the Euphrates. This was to try and stop arms from reaching groups like Hezbollah.
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    In fact, there have been signs Israel may use the civil war to expand further into Syria, just like they originally stole the Golan heights.
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    I mean the protests before the war and the early street fighting, which the author and countless others like him apparently now believe was a Zionist plot all along. But I agree with Tim, if it was not still a popular movement it would have been crushed months ago no matter how much foreign support they're receiving.
    The contradiction between the Syrian state and the masses has been superseded by others. Now it is between Alawi Shiite/Christian and Sunni, town A and town B, those who want a united secular Syria and various groups who agree on little except Sharia and killing Assad. The loyalists have a popular base just as the rebels do, including a great number of Sunnis.

    Syria in 2013 is a different ballgame than Syria in 2011. The popular councils in rebel areas that had some sort of influence on paper way back when have been replaced by religious courts.

    The majority of Syrians want an end to the war, and sometimes that has meant becoming loyalist. Defections from the army to the rebels have ceased, and there are actually some going the other way at this point. Rebel factions are now fighting each other, just as the government has recaptured many areas that were under rebel control for a long time.

    If current trends continue, Assad will probably win.
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    In fact, there have been signs Israel may use the civil war to expand further into Syria, just like they originally stole the Golan heights.
    A territorial expansion would not serve the Israeli state well. The Golan heights, barely populated, is hardly a signification of any ambitions for conquest. What the hell is Israel to do with more land? This isn't the damned antiquity, we're living in a world of global capitalism! Have you any idea of the magnitude of problems that would make for the Israeli state? They're barely fairing in this whole Palestinian refugee buisness... But the entirety of the Levant?

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    Don't get me wrong, if Israel were ever to escape uncle Sam's leash, it would attempt to colonize much larger swaths of the middle east than it currently occupies, and it would go beyond just ethnic cleansing. But I don't think that map reflects anything that will ever happen.

    In Syria, there has been much talk of an Israeli intervention to establish a "buffer zone" between Syria and the Golan Heights. The next thing you know, they'd be ejecting the legitimate population and building settlements there, as in the West Bank.

    This isn't antiquity, but as far as Zionism is concerned, it is. If international order ever broke down, Israel would annex Palestine, recapture the Sinai, and annex and depopulate Jordan. In every major conflict Israel seizes more and more land.
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