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    Le Socialiste took that from the website that psycho posted, which is a rebel activist site claiming to represent Syrian councils.
    Curious, the website says nothing about representing Syria's LCCs:

    This blog is dedicated to the struggle of the Syrian people in their uprising to overthrow the Assad authoritarian regime and to build a Democratic, Secular, Socialist, Anti imperialist and Pro Resistance Syria!
    But yeah, a Syrian activist who also happens to be a member of the Revolutionary Left Current must not know what they're talking about, right? It is just a "rebel activist site" after all...

    I suppose this interview with a member of one of the National Unity Brigades is just full of shit, too. Granted, there's some confused beliefs and/or language expressed in that link (notions of 'patriotism' and a willingness to fight alongside anyone so long as they're against the regime, for example), but it's also indicative of the fact that not every rebel is, as some here like to repeatedly claim, a member of Al-Qaeda. I'd also like to highlight some of the names of those brigades currently fighting in Syria, too (taken from the aforementioned interview):

    DN: What are some of the names of the brigades?

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    Abdel Rahman Al Shabandar Brigade (Syrian Arab nationalist who organized the Iron Hand society against French rule)

    Martyrs of the Syrian Revolution brigade

    Joul Jamal Brigade (named after a Syrian Christian who defended Egypt in the Suez crisis in a suicide attack with his small boat against a French warship)

    Martyrs of Badama Brigade

    Martyrs of the Wastani Mountains Brigade

    Ahmad Maryoud Brigade (anti-colonial Syrian fighter against Ottomans first, then French later)

    Youssef Al-Admeh Brigade (Syrian anti-colonial leader against French occupation)

    Tamer Al-Awam Brigade (named after a Syrian filmmaker recently killed in Aleppo)
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    Of course however Ghadaffi supported the usa in the Iraq war. So did Assad. Assad also crushed the intifada in lebanon! Keep talking about how bad the fsa are though.
    Syria also supported the Gulf War against Iraq under daddy Assad. Both Libya and Syria cooperated with the US against its enemies, and Gaddafi was notorious for torturing captives sent to him by the CIA. But worst of all was both regime's relationship with the Palestinian struggle.

    I'm quite aware of the history of the region. My goal is to put an end to romantic notions about the Syrian "revolution".
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    Curious, the website says nothing about representing Syria's LCCs:



    But yeah, a Syrian activist who also happens to be a member of the Revolutionary Left Current must not know what they're talking about, right? It is just a "rebel activist site" after all...

    I suppose this interview with a member of one of the National Unity Brigades is just full of shit, too. Granted, there's some confused beliefs and/or language expressed in that link (notions of 'patriotism' and a willingness to fight alongside anyone so long as they're against the regime, for example), but it's also indicative of the fact that not every rebel is, as some here like to repeatedly claim, a member of Al-Qaeda. I'd also like to highlight some of the names of those brigades currently fighting in Syria, too (taken from the aforementioned interview):

    The site psycho posted has the same announcement.

    I don't think anyone is claiming that all the Syrian rebels are al-Qaeda. But why do they fight alongside al-Qaeda? Why do they take western and Gulf weapons and directives? Why hasn't there been so much as a peep about this from brigades named after historical anti-colonialist figures?
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    I'm quite aware of the history of the region. My goal is to put an end to romantic notions about the Syrian "revolution."
    Who here has been espousing 'romantic notions' about the situation in Syria? In any event, your efforts have been entirely one-sided seeing as you largely target those of us who have explicitly stated our critical support for various elements of the uprising. That's what it comes down to, really. My support for certain sections of the movement is a result of careful examination and assessment. I'm not retaining any romanticized ideas of what the Syrian conflict is and looks like. I realize things can change rapidly (as they have over the past two years). But I also wish to look at the rebellion within the wider context of neoliberalism and reform inside Syria and the broader region, balanced with the responsive shifts and movements of class forces. Marx and Engels, in their early assessment of the bourgeoisie, defined the emergent class as a comparatively 'revolutionary' force - insofar as it represented the destruction of prior systems, marking a definite progression into the next epoch of class struggle.

    While it is certainly not wholly appropriate to blindly compare the transitional structural makeups of mid-to-late 19th century society with the ensuing conflicts within Syria, a nugget of consistency should - and must - remain with us in our analysis: that the establishment of a civil, democratic Syrian state will, on the whole, present a definite progression (albeit riddled with more, not fewer, internal contradictions).

    I think the example of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt makes for a fine, though not perfect parallel; that is, the propulsion of the MB into state and legislative power presented a new phase in the struggle. Whereas the election of Shafik might have served as a further hindrance on the movement's ongoing development, Mubarak's presidency has served to both preserve the initial gains of the initial revolt and expose the contradictions of the 'democratic process' and the Brotherhood's commitment to neoliberalism. The movement has thus, by the very conditions of its continued existence, been forced to evolve - and the past several months have seen rising strike waves, an emboldening of the working-class, and a deepening level of struggle - in tandem with growing resentment towards the Brotherhood and a likening of the organization with elements of the old regime.

    Now, the conflict in Syria will not follow the same patterns as the Egyptian revolution in its entirety. It will however serve a similar purpose if successful: to broaden the next general phase in Syrian class and political development and deepen new and preexisting contradictions within the country. Of course, I continue to support the more revolutionary elements of the rebellion involved in the efforts to oust Assad, but I recognize that these remain largely marginal in relation to the whole of the movement.

    I don't think anyone is claiming that all the Syrian rebels are al-Qaeda.
    Ahem:

    At this point, if you support the overthrow of Assad by the rebels, you support al-Qaeda.
    But why do they fight alongside al-Qaeda? Why do they take western and Gulf weapons and directives? Why hasn't there been so much as a peep about this from brigades named after historical anti-colonialist figures?
    Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. and its allies have continued to limit the flow of arms into Syria. Many media reports often include criticisms from the rebels of the U.S. and others for stopping all but light weaponry from entering the country, including anti-aircraft systems that could help against the government's air force. Many have rejected attempts to influence or sway rebels' loyalty to one or another power, such as Moaz al-Khatib (who recently resigned from his position as head of the National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces). He recently voiced his concerns about how outside powers are trying to intervene in the conflict, saying:

    Originally Posted by Moaz al-Khatib
    [Groups and individuals] who are willing to obey [outside powers] will be supported. Those who disobey will be offered nothing but hunger and siege. We will not beg for help from anyone. If there is a decision to execute us as Syrians, then let us die as we want. The gate of freedom has opened and will not be closed, not only for Syrians, but for all peoples...Our message to everyone is that Syrians' decisions will be taken by Syrians, and Syrians only.
    As for rebels seeking arms from outside the country, this is hardly the failing y'all who oppose the rebellion make it out to be. They were all but forced to after the Assad regime decided to drown the movement in its own blood. The ruthlessness of the government made nonviolent protest impossible. The most pressing issue for the rebels is the means by which these weapons are acquired and whether they'll be able to retain their independence as a result.

    As for the National Unity Brigades, here is what was said about outside support:

    DN: Who arms and supports you?

    JD: Patriotic individuals who don’t want recognition. We reject any support that is politicized or that is not patriotic, no matter how big. And everyone who supports us shares our dream of a civil state.

    DN: So, do you reject outside support then?

    JD: If it is politicized or political, then yes, we reject it. We also reject it if it is party-based or sectarian.

    DN: But the problem is that there is lots of outside support for the Islamists. Won’t they remain stronger than you militarily if your position is as such?

    JD: Yes, but the root of the problem is the various brigades aren’t unified. Support and donations should go to the military council, and then the military council should distribute the aid accordingly. But, unfortunately, there are some brigades who get donations exclusively to them. We reject this and seek unification of military efforts in a military council that represents the free army and revolutionaries in the form of a “Revolutionary Military Council.” This is actually taking place in Aleppo with the formation of The Revolutionary Military Council of Aleppo.
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