Things just seem to get uglier by the minute over there, I don't even know what to think anymore.
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Highly doubt this FP. Al-Assad's not that stupid. If he charges and attacks Israel guns and bombs blazing and even harms a hair on Israels head he will be almost surely criticized and bombarded by the U.N which may cause a NATO intervention what with all the mention of supposed WMD & Chemical use. Besides Assad has his hands full with the rebels and the civil war.
Honestly this is turning into Iraq 2.0 minus the NATO intervention (which may happen soon anyways) and add a whole menagerie of foreign militants, Islamist, NWO (new world order) shills, and mercenaries that cluster together to form the rebels. Saddam will be played by Mr. Assad and George will be played by Mr. Obama.
Things just seem to get uglier by the minute over there, I don't even know what to think anymore.
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Apparently Israel is bombing Syrian missiles that are meant for Hezbollah. We don`t know much yet but I doubt that because Israel`s interest in toppling Assad is clear, with NATO`s help they could easily create a western controlled state friendly to Israel. But still I can`t prove the missiles were or were not meant for Hezbollah, I`m only speculating.
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― John Steinbeck
...And Assad would be gone in a matter of weeks. What real interest is there for Israel to further destabilize - and potentially ruin - one of the more 'stable' Arab regimes in the region? Assad proved more beneficial to Israeli security than some give him credit for. If Israel really had to choose it'd probably either prefer Assad or some variant of his administration, rather than a potentially radical (much less hostile) Syria in his stead.
Oh, and thanks for 'neg-repping' me.
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They'd be right to. But... The US and various "friends" in Europe will just use it as a chance to bomb the fuck out of whoever they want to.
They won't just do that regardless?
"I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will." - Antonio Gramsci
"If he did advocate revolutionary change, such advocacy could not, of course, receive constitutional protection, since it would be by definition anti-constitutional."
- J.A. MacGuigan in Roach v. Canada, 1994
Who are you to say that? People in Egypt, Algeria (where the Arab spring ACTUALLY started), Tunisia, Iran, Iraq, and Palestine are still demonstrating daily against NATO intervention.
Assad is the aggressor though; he is the one who ordered troops to sick like Pitt Bulls on the protesters years ago. Back then the same assholes on the forum were calling them Islamists in a similarly ignorant way. There are some things that the forum needs to realize are correct positions, that all communists should take. Positions that are principled basically.
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--Carl Sagan
Lol world war three? are you nuts?
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No they will, but Syria attacking Israel would give them extra 'Justification' so that the public will hop on the bandwagon of "Lets Nuke Syria! Israel has a right to defend itself!"
To say what? How did it start in Algeria?
Yes but the fallacy here is the idea that the rebels = the people. It's not that simple, even when we consider only Sunnis. The rebels are every bit the aggressor in this war, now more so than Assad since they refuse any possibility of peace. What so many fail to realize is that the armed rebellion against Assad was from the beginning partly a coup by Sunni factions in the army. Then jihadists became the main rebel muscle.
Chief among them never politically aligning with imperialist capital's proxy forces, be they Syrian rebels, Libyan rebels, or Nicaraguan contras (yeah, some on the "left" did).
The international and Syrian left's stance in this war should be to support an end to the conflict. Not encourage the rebels war as if it were progressive and revolutionary, because it gets farther from that with every passing day.
sure, but please tell that to the people here (falsely) painting any and all opposition as evil islamists itching to establish a theocratic caliphate while singing the praise of the current regime as a beacon of progressive secularism that should be preserved and propped up at all costs.
the fact is that the the regime is not only defacto a racist capitalist shithole, ethnic-supremacy and other stuff people would never excuse in "western" nations is a fundamental principle in the constitution atm.
you kind of lose the right to go off about evil zionists if you yourself are propping up a regime that has this in her constitution;
http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texi...ocid=5100f02a2
yeah, all those kurds and other ethnic and religious minorities have some much to lose with the gamble of ditching Assad, because islamists and zionists might come and take their current ethnic and religious equality away.. oh wait...
and dont start me on womens rights either:
and to think that all the really nasty shit about swearing allegiance to the Baath party and making it a crime to oppose baathism and such was removed only in 2012, i wonder what triggered that concession???
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They do need excuses, whether it is Monica Lewinsky or... No, I'm being flip. This is 9/11 shit, even if in this case it is entirely justified. If Syria drops a bomb on Israel, the pigs will screw up Beirut, Tehran, and where else? Caracas? Probably. With probable cause. Wish it were a joke.
*Sigh*...
I'm done repeating myself. I'm just gonna direct people to the following post (made several months ago about this very issue):
"Socialist ideas become significant only to the extent that they become rooted in the working class."
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. . .Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."
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And that's a problem because....?
This creep seems to be doing that to people who disagree with his views. Neggreped (cautious here, lest I get banned for racism) for being "anti-Islam".Oh, and thanks for 'neg-repping' me.
Luís Henrique
What? No.
That would be incredibly hard, considering that the country is split between pro-Baathists who hate Israel and Islamists who hate Israel. Literally no one is Syria supports Israel, so creating a "pro-Israel" state seems like a near impossibility unless it is outright occupied by Western powers which doesn't seem likely.
Haha he neg repped me on the first page because im from the US and disagreed with his article.
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And I'm so sick of hearing of these supposed councils I'm going to strangle the next person who invokes them to justify some kind of support for the rebels.
That has been the biggest propaganda success of the rebels as far as the western left is concerned.
Here's a thing you don't realize - there is no FSA. The "Free Syrian Army" is a blanket term adopted by most rebel militias. There is no high command, no councils coordinating them, nothing of the sort. For all practical purposes the FSA is made up of hundreds of local warlords.
We know about these supposed councils throughout Syria from those same rebel "activists" who are the western media's favorite source.
In reality, as many have shown, Islamic courts rule rebel held areas. This is because Al-Qaeda in Syria and their smaller islamist allies are the main fighting force against the government. Those are the rebels that western imperialism has little control over. Otherwise they are arming "FSA" militias.
At this point, if you support the overthrow of Assad by the rebels, you support al-Qaeda.
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So you're saying 'non-involvement'.
That may be okay for writing a Wikipedia entry, but meanwhile the 'proxy-ness' continues, with Syria as the de facto battleground.
I tend to compare these conditions to those just prior to World War I, when several expanding imperialist powers "encountered" each other over competing claims to colonial territories in Africa, Asia, and South America.
Today we have neo-colonialism, through NATO, as witnessed recently with Libya and Mali.
Sure, no one here *has* to be political, but this *is* a political discussion board, after all....
Last edited by ckaihatsu; 7th May 2013 at 17:09. Reason: 'non-involvement' instead of 'non-intervention'
you are either intentionally lying or talking from out of you arse, the LCC's are very real http://www.lccsyria.org/en/
(fuck, even the Christian pacifist NGO pax christi is raising funds here for them - https://www.adoptarevolution.nl/english/)
al-qaeda is not the main rebel force in syria, al-qaida has next to no presence at all (about 500 fighters), the group you are refering to is called al-nusra which is claimed to be alligned with al-qaeda. but they are not the main rebel force either, yes they are among the best trained and funded but they are estimated to have 5000 fighters, with the various other jihadist groups lumped in 7.000 at best. the FSA is estimated to have 140.000, quite a fucking difference i would think.
oh and islamic courts? you might want to read my post about the current syrian constitution of you beloved Assad's regime that i posted above, you know the bit that is the start of article 3, which, again, follows article 1 (!) which proclaims Syria an ethnic-supremacist state:
in other words, the law is already islamist and for al your talk about Assad being a shining beacon of secularism non-muslims, be it atheist or even the many Christians, druze and ocasional jew could even in theory never be elected president, how secular indeed.
so syria is not secular, its racist, its patriarchal, its extreme anti-worker and its capitalist, please explain what there is to support for a change
for all this "In reality, as many have shown" etc etc there has been a god awful lack of facts, figures, statistics, consistent eye-witness reports or anything else of substance coming from your "omzg! Al-Qaeda!" lot.
just fucking cop to it that you are an dogmatic tankie who will cheer any bourgeois strongman to the next mass slaughter of the workers as long as he nominaly utters a few void anti-western slogans once in a while.
really, if you didnt have Stalin already to cheer on you lot would have rooted for Hitler without a second thought..
Last edited by Sasha; 7th May 2013 at 17:34.
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Here at least We shall be free
