5 year old boy shot his sister dead

[piet11111]

Great parenting. ''WE NEED TO GIVE GUNS TO EVERY 2 YEAR OLD GIRL SOON FOR SELF-DEFENCE!111111'' Can't wait to hear that.

Why did you have to put in so many 1's now i feel like your talking directly at me

[Nevsky]

You're a liberal, not a socialist. Get lost.

How is he a liberal? Liberals are all about the "freedom" of having guns. You sound like a reactionary conservative who blames "liberals" (socialists) for wanting to take his beloved guns away.

[Asmo]

Teaching your kids to shoot is fine. It's a great skill to have, and it's a good amusement. Surely five is too young an age to give a child a lethal weapon though. If I was a parent, I'd give my ten-year-old a BB gun if I found them mature enough, but certainly not an actual rifle, even if miniature, until at least 16. How stupid must these parents to be to not only give their toddler a real gun but keep it within reach, unlocked, and loaded? I swear sometimes I want to support parenting licenses.

[goalkeeper]

How is he a liberal? Liberals are all about the "freedom" of having guns. You sound like a reactionary conservative who blames "liberals" (socialists) for wanting to take his beloved guns away.

If by Liberals advocating 'the people in arms' you mean radical liberals of the 1848 revolutions, thats quite a badge.

You sound like a reactionary conservative advocating a monopoly on arms for the state.

[Os Cangaceiros]

1. Ban all private ownership of guns, now! People have the right to walk the streets without fear of being shot down by gun loving lunatics.

You know it's funny, I'd say there's a good chance that if you walk into any public building around here with more than 20 people in it, there's a very good chance that someone is armed (as this is one of the few places in the USA where you can carry a concealed weapon without a permit). Sometimes I see people openly carry handguns in holsters while in the grocery store or out-and-about. There's a free pistol/rifle range here that I've visited on a few occasions. But yet I'm not shaking in my boots everytime I have this realization or see someone armed, for fear of being "shot down by gun loving lunatics".

[Crixus]

1. Ban all private ownership of guns, now! People have the right to walk the streets without fear of being shot down by gun loving lunatics.
2. Arrest the NRA terrorists now! Hold them responsible for the 30,000 deaths and 500,000 wounds that occur every year from guns in the United States.

These should be leading demands of any socialist party in the United States. I will join any socialist party that makes these simple and clear socialist demands. We need a socialist revolution to free ourselves from the NRA-terrorists who now have power in the United States.

I'm going to have to disagree with you while scratching my head, eyebrow raised. Perplexing this is.

[John Lennin]

Guns made for kids? That might be one of the reasons people here in Europe tend to regard Americans as being ..... peculiar.

[Tenka]

Why isn't that sufficient?

Because it's a real lethal weapon designed for the express purpose of killing things, and it might be a lot more sensible to let your 5-year-old shoot something without real bullets in it if the aim is fun?

If that was true, then there would be many more deaths involving the millions of firearms in private hands in the US. But despite the scary stories beloved of American liberals, the proportion of people being killed in firearms accidents, vs the number of firearms owners, is very small indeed.

Not necessarily. It depends on how much you're willing to accept, really... but that's beside the point. You can't honestly tell me marketing real firearms painted to resemble toys specifically to children isn't promoting irresponsibility in general.

These threads suck because they seem to force revolutionaries to implicitly side with either "state monopoly over firearms" or the fucking gun manufacturers, considering the context of the discussion (private gun ownership in a bourgeois society).

The best option is not to participate in the emotionally charged (from either side) "debates". The state will have its "monopoly" over arms regardless of how many guns Americans own (and they own a bloody lot of guns), and likewise it will continue to serve Capitalist interests by not meaningfully regulating the sale of said firearms, no matter how popular such regulation undoubtedly is.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

1. Ban all private ownership of guns, now! People have the right to walk the streets without fear of being shot down by gun loving lunatics.
2. Arrest the NRA terrorists now! Hold them responsible for the 30,000 deaths and 500,000 wounds that occur every year from guns in the United States.

These should be leading demands of any socialist party in the United States. I will join any socialist party that makes these simple and clear socialist demands. We need a socialist revolution to free ourselves from the NRA-terrorists who now have power in the United States.

Here is a better proposal
1.Ban all public ownership of guns! All laws that are not enforced by the armed bodies of the people are illegitimate and do not deserve to be enforced. All defiance of these laws is intrinsically good until it is proven otherwise through the harm of another human being.
2. Arrest all military terrorists now! Hold them responsible for the 100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq and the oppression of the American people.

These should be leading demands of any socialist party in the United States. I will join any socialist party that makes these simple and clear socialist demands. We need a socialist revolution to free ourselves from the police terrorists who now have power in the United States

[Art Vandelay]

I grew up shooting guns, but even to me 5 seems to be a really low age to have a child shooting. The rules when you have a gun in your hand is pretty simple, never point it at anyone, always keep the barrel down range, don't leave ammunition in it, etc...The first thing my dad every told me, was don't point this at anything you aren't attempting to shoot/kill. Quite clearly though, there are some very shitty parents and teachers out there.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I grew up shooting guns, but even to me 5 seems to be a really low age to have a child shooting. The rules when you have a gun in your hand is pretty simple, never point it at anyone, always keep the barrel down range, don't leave ammunition in it, etc...The first thing my dad every told me, was don't point this at anything you aren't attempting to shoot/kill. Quite clearly though, there are some very shitty parents and teachers out there.

Yea same here, my mom's ex taught me how to fire a shot gun at 11 and sometimes me pa takes me out for target practice with the .22 rifle he got me when I was 14. I have to admit that guns hold a very special place in my heart

To (mis)quote Emma Goldmqn: It isn't my revolution if I can't shoot

[Comrade Alex]

Shooting is a great stress reliever it teaches some coordination and It's just all around fun however giving guns to little children is just plain stupid leaving the gun around loaded and within reach of children Is even stupider
Now the proletariat Must be armed so I stand by the 2nd amendment but thier needs to be some background checks and a friggin mental health check so this won't happen again
Unbelievable

[Nevsky]

If by Liberals advocating 'the people in arms' you mean radical liberals of the 1848 revolutions, thats quite a badge.

You sound like a reactionary conservative advocating a monopoly on arms for the state.

What? Do you realize that conservatives and liberals are the ones who advocate free private gun ownership?

[o well this is ok I guess]

And don't give me some people's war/ anarcho-insurrection bullshit either.

2*6=12 and 3*4=12 and some bullshit that socrates said. that's why we justify free weapons ownership, why can't we say such?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

The culture of american gun ownership always was and remains to this day reactionary and individualistic, and will thus in the absence of a sudden and unforseen cultural paradigm shift remain so; individual gun ownership is not something that by virtue of itself means that the working class is armed. This arming must take a collective character; it cannot be a question of ownership out of pure individual self-defence reasons and what in origin stems from American culture of property (My Right to Defend My Property! Second Amendment!) Make no mistake, U.S. gun ownership is by no means a threat to the established order, you all know enough to know that if it was they'd never allowed it to be cultivated in the first place; rather, the american gun culture of today is conservative to its very core, its fragmented, individual self-reliance philosophy something that distracts from class solidarity and collective struggle and enforces the existing tyranny of property.

Naturally, no one can exist outside of social streams entirely, but the level to which the discussion here almost verbatim is similar to that of conservative-NRA-gun-lovers is a bit embarassing - there was even a mention of the bloody second amendment, as if we wanted to preserve that rotten artefact known as the U.S. constitution! (Burn that shit.) It seems that many here are judging the situation in a bit too personal a manner, rather than evaluating the reasons that this gun-culture exists, and in too an idealistic manner see it as somehow revolutionary.

And yes, it is true - the revolution will need arms. But arms for whom and used how -- there's nothing revolutionary in U.S. gun-culture, it's bourgeois and reactionary through and through, spawned by the bourgeois revolution, fed on by the petit-bourgeois struggles to maintain property relations- what have you, to cut a rambling post short; neither gun-nuttery nor gun-abstinence are revolutionary.

[Rafiq]

The revolution will not be a legal act. Why are users so keen in attempting to make it as legal as possible?

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[Flying Purple People Eater]

I love how nonchalantly unopposed most people here are to little children operating contraptions designed specifically for maiming and killing.

The gun debate is held largely liberal, but that's just damn creepy, folks.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Could somebody explain to me how opposing free possesion of guns makes you a liberal?

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

It's kind of ironic that communists are arguing that the PRIVATE ownership of firearms is a better thing than the STATE ownership of firearms. Legal private ownership of arms is as usable by reactionary forces as by Leftist forces. That's basically how an organization like the NRA can come into existence - it channels money from huge, private gun manufacturers and lobbies the government while those same businesses build up specialty markets for things like assault rifles among more conservative elements of the US population.

Anyways, in case anyone was wondering, a .22, a semiauto pistol or even an AR 15 would not really stand up against the military equipment of a professional military force, so pretending that the private ownership of arms in America will make revolution possible is a pipe dream. I'm skeptical about liberal gun reform efforts because it totally ignores structural causes for gun violence, but it's fucking hilarious seeing Leftists take up the michigan militia approach to the 2nd amendment as a means to violent revolution after what happened to the Black Panthers. Will a revolution be violent? It may well be. Might that violence include people's legally bought firearms? Those might help in certain limited contexts. Will that violence consist of brave Leftists taking a legally, store bought 9mm pistol and shooting an Abrams tank until it blows up as if we were in some kind of bad video game? Not likely ...

[Ele'ill]

I don't know I've owned firearms before but I don't think I would trust someone with one who couldn't check to see if it was loaded and in good working condition before handling it with the intention of shooting it.