US state of Maryland abolishes death penalty

[Fionnagáin]

As someone previously mentioned the judicial system predates bourgeois society.

Only if we treat "judicial system" as an ahistorical category, which isn't very Marxist. Pre-bourgeois judicial systems were distinct in structure and ideology from bourgeois judicial systems, and what commonalities do exist are largely down to bourgeois pretences of tradition than authentic continuity.

[Luís Henrique]

Good for Maryland.

Now, on for the abolition of life without parole.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Nice to see one more jurisdiction somewhere in the world realise that killing people isn't doing the job they thought it would.

And, in the avatar...

Ding-dong the witch is dead!

Errrrmmm...

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

I think the death penalty should be phased out in the long run but if you genuinely believe that power can be pried from the hands of the bourgeoisie completely bloodlessly than you're delusional.

And Maryland State is taking power from the hands of the bourgeoisie exactly how?

Luís Henrique

[l'Enfermé]

You're*

I'm glad you spotted the joke NC.

[The Douche]

Is death as punishment always reprehensible? In what situations is it tolerable?

I'm not a "supporter of the death penalty", but I am very comfortable in thinking that some people deserve nothing more than a bullet.

[vizzek]

a) Capital punishment predates bourgeois society by thousands of years, b) capital punishment has been abolished in most of the advanced capitalist countries, so it's not the cornerstone of anything, and c) "my revolution"? Good for you...

good thing i said that the judicial system was a cornerstone of bourgeois society and not capital punishment. the point is that you're blatantly supporting the actions of the capitalist state out of some laughably absurd assumption that everyone on death row is guilty or deserving of execution. you sound like a fucking republican.

[Rugged Collectivist]

And Maryland State is taking power from the hands of the bourgeoisie exactly how?

Luís Henrique

It's not. I was responding to this.

Capital punishment has no place in communist revolution, the judicial system is a cornerstone of bourgeois society. kangaroo courts and shit aint gonna be in my revolution

This person advocates the abolition of capital punishment during a revolution. Which I think is folly. I do however support the ban in Maryland.

[bcbm]

Nah, don't be a liberal.

i wasnt

As for why I, a communist, would say something like that, and "blatantly support the actions of a bourgeois state", well, I can gladly explain. I think the state has many useful social functions. Fighting fires, for example, or education, healthcare, whatever. Exacting justice on the likes of first-degree murderers is another one, in my opinion.

you have a very archaic notion of justice. the aforementioned people on death row who have been exonerated is enough to suggest that the death penalty isn't a good idea, nevermind that the court system is heavily rigged against the poor and people of color.

beyond that death denies any possibility of rehabilitation and redemption, which i think is anathema to the formation of a true human community.

[Niall]

I think its good that the DP has been abolished there though as has been said, the whole prison system needs to be looked at

[bcbm]

I think its good that the DP has been abolished there though as has been said, the whole prison system needs to be looked at

not just looked at, abolished

[Niall]

not just looked at, abolished

Abolishing it would come after it has been looked at . Seriously though, I see what you mean but how likely is it to be completely abolished?

[Luís Henrique]

It's not. I was responding to this.

This person advocates the abolition of capital punishment during a revolution. Which I think is folly. I do however support the ban in Maryland.

Ah, I see.

But anyway, we don't need the death penalty to kill people.

Luís Henrique

[vizzek]

Abolishing it would come after it has been looked at . Seriously though, I see what you mean but how likely is it to be completely abolished?

through communism

[Niall]

^^^ could you explain that a bit?

[The Intransigent Faction]

And, in the avatar...



Errrrmmm...

Luís Henrique

Not being sad (even being downright pleased) about the death of a terrible reactionary who was whacked by natural causes is nowhere near the same as supporting murder by the bourgeois (or any) state.

[bcbm]

Abolishing it would come after it has been looked at . Seriously though, I see what you mean but how likely is it to be completely abolished?

in present society? not at all