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Maoism.
What are some good beginner texts on Maoism? According to a member of the site I apparently uphold the Maoist stance on DotP without even realizing it so I figured I might as well learn more about Maoism.
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"There are decades when nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen." - Lenin
When the accumulation of wealth is no longer of high social importance, there will be great changes in the code of morals. We shall be able to rid ourselves of many of the pseudo-moral principles which have hag-ridden us for two hundred years, by which we have exalted some of the most distasteful of human qualities into the position of the highest virtues.
~John Maynard Keynes
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There's a wonderful study guide on MLM here:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/marxism-le....html?t=175401
What exactly is your position on DotP?
To get an understanding of my view on DotP just take a look here. This was actually the original discussion which inspired this thread. http://www.revleft.com/vb/has-countr...62/index2.html
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Okay, so your theoretical line on DOTP seems to be the same as the Maoist line so far. But your historical line is different, as we consider the USSR to have been socialist under Stalin. Theoretically, in addition to equating socialism and the DOTP we think that classes exist under socialism, a new capitalist class can arise from the bureaucracy, and that the proletariat must spread the revolution worldwide and continue revolutions within the socialist societies in order to create communism. Do you agree with this?
Classes how exactly? As in classes arising from the party? If you're talking about a privileged party then that I don't consider socialism personally. I do definitely agree that revolution must be spread worldwide, which does directly contradict Stalin's stance.
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Well, the term Marxist-Leninist-Maoist is quite recent so there are still a number of controversies as contending schools of thought debate what it means to be a Maoist. However I've been meaning to assemble a library of Maoism for the People's War Group that I moderate so I'll link you a couple things.
Orthdox Marxist-Leninist Maoism (the term "Orthdox isn't really appropriate considering that MLM is only twenty years old)
Libertarian Maoism or Kobad Ghandy Thought (probably the newest current, though arguably a version of this existed in France with Anarco-Maoism and French Left-Maoism but it is important to note that libertarian Maoism isn't related to French Maoism and is a development of the Indian MLM school of thought)
Modern American Maoism
This list is horribly inadequate, but I hope it is at least vaguely helpful
Men vanish from earth leaving behind them the furrows they have ploughed. I see the furrow Lenin left sown with the unshatterable seed of a new life for mankind, and cast deep below the rolling tides of storm and lightning, mighty crops for the ages to reap.
~Helen Keller
To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
http://commiforum.forumotion.com/
Under socialism there are still classes. Now of course to some this seems absurd "how are there classes in a classless society". However when Marx spoke of abolishing class he was merely referring to a relationship to the mode of production that assumed that the relationship between the Base and Superstructure was not Dialetical, or that changing the mode of production essentially would allow the bourgeois to "wither away" once the DOTP removes the military resistance of the bourgeois, or if the DOTP exterminates each bourgeois individually.
Maoism on the other hand presumes that there is a dialetical relationship between the base and the superstructure, that even if you establish political hegemony for the proletariat, the bourgeois from the capitalist era are eliminated, and if means of production are nationalized/socialized, then the bourgeois still exist. This is because bourgeois ideology still is hegemonic and therefore enforces capitalist relations without the existence of capitalism as a mode of production. Louis Athusser described a distinction between the mode of production and the mode of reproduction. The mode of production refers to the property relations while the mode of reproduction refers to the conditions that make those property relations possible. So under the DOTP, while the mode of production might be socialized, the mode of reproduction is still capitalist as long as bourgeois ideology retains cultural hegemony. This is how the bourgeois arise in socialism without capitalist property, and this is why class struggle needs to continue under socialism.
Men vanish from earth leaving behind them the furrows they have ploughed. I see the furrow Lenin left sown with the unshatterable seed of a new life for mankind, and cast deep below the rolling tides of storm and lightning, mighty crops for the ages to reap.
~Helen Keller
To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
http://commiforum.forumotion.com/
Very interesting. I was unaware that there were so many different traditions of Maoist thought. Libertarian Maoism, Anarcho-Maoism, and Left Maoism seem pretty strange. What are some thoughts on those ideologies and where could I find out more about them?
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"We must have faith, first, that the peasant masses are ready to advance step by step along the road of socialism under the leadership of the Party, and second, that the Party is capable of leading the peasants along this road. These two points are the essence of the matter, the main current" -Mao
When I was a kid (in high school) during the 1960s, i made a short list of the principles by which I would judge political trends. I decided to study them all, and uncover the best and most revolutionary trend, and would join it.
My principles were:
1) The dictatorship of the proletariat -- the need for a radical break in society and the dominance of a completely different anti-capitalist road.
2) the need for force in the need for a radical break -- I did not believe in peaceful transition, or the idea that mere pressure would get the changes we need.
3) The need for leadership by the working class -- those who have "nothing to lose" at the bottom of society are those with the least attachment to the current order, and are most likely to carry through the most radical changes.
4) Support for the national liberation struggles of the world (including the vietnamese at that time, and also the African American struggle for liberation).
When I went through the left (and I studied the trotskyists, and the pro-soviet types, and PLP, and the anarchists etc.) i became convinced that Maoism was the most forceful and creative advocate for those four principles.
How would the bourgeoisie still enforce capitalist relations when they're no longer in control though?
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It's not capitalists per se, but the ideas of the burgeoise that anyone that lives in a capitalist society tend to have. As long as burgeoise culture isn't erradicated the risk of counterrevolution exist, hence the necesity of the continuity of the class struggle in socialist societies.
Para los pueblos de todo el mundo, que luchan por la paz, la democracia y el socialismo, el leninismo es como el sol que trae consigo una vida alegre. - Ho Chi Minh
Comunes el sol y el viento, común ha de ser la tierra, que vuelva común al pueblo, lo que del pueblo saliera
Maoism is (...) Marxism Leninism on cocaine - Rafiq
Pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté - Louis Antoine de Saint-Just
El marxismo conlleva muchos principios que en últimas instancias se compendian en una sola frase: “es justo rebelarse contra los reaccionarios" - Mao Tse-Tung
Die Barrikaden schließen der Strasse aber geöffnet der Weg.
Ah. Well that I agree with since the bourgeoisie won't just magically disappear when capitalism does unless you kill them all, and well that isn't exactly viewed as favourable.
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If you try to solve that by firing squads I'm afraid you'll have to shoot way to much people, like every one who has ever live in a capitalis society. The problem is more of hegemonic culture than anything. Burgeoise culture destroyed the hegemony of the feudal one, just like socialist culture must be hegemonic in order to survive. And to claryfy, I'm not talking about brain washing or anything like it.
Para los pueblos de todo el mundo, que luchan por la paz, la democracia y el socialismo, el leninismo es como el sol que trae consigo una vida alegre. - Ho Chi Minh
Comunes el sol y el viento, común ha de ser la tierra, que vuelva común al pueblo, lo que del pueblo saliera
Maoism is (...) Marxism Leninism on cocaine - Rafiq
Pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté - Louis Antoine de Saint-Just
El marxismo conlleva muchos principios que en últimas instancias se compendian en una sola frase: “es justo rebelarse contra los reaccionarios" - Mao Tse-Tung
Die Barrikaden schließen der Strasse aber geöffnet der Weg.
Is this a universal view to all Maoists? I pretty much don't really mind Maoism, Marxism-Leninism, or any other tendency's views, ideas, etc. at all except for their favorable views on what I would consider non-proletarian dictatorships.
How would you get rid of them then?
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By empowering the masses.
Para los pueblos de todo el mundo, que luchan por la paz, la democracia y el socialismo, el leninismo es como el sol que trae consigo una vida alegre. - Ho Chi Minh
Comunes el sol y el viento, común ha de ser la tierra, que vuelva común al pueblo, lo que del pueblo saliera
Maoism is (...) Marxism Leninism on cocaine - Rafiq
Pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté - Louis Antoine de Saint-Just
El marxismo conlleva muchos principios que en últimas instancias se compendian en una sola frase: “es justo rebelarse contra los reaccionarios" - Mao Tse-Tung
Die Barrikaden schließen der Strasse aber geöffnet der Weg.
But wouldn't the bourgeoisie by default have no interest in serving the same interest as the masses?
Btw, I'm loving the username if it's based on what I think it is. Ostalgie, yay! \o/
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Expropiate all their wealth and property and send them a couple of years to a gulag resort, make them to work for the same wage the used to paid unskilled workers, same laboral conditions, same contracts, same exploitation, force them to make a living like they forced others. After that I bet they would not complain in a socialist society.
Yes indeed, I remember someone in this forum who asked me if it was for the game Dance Dance Revolution...
Para los pueblos de todo el mundo, que luchan por la paz, la democracia y el socialismo, el leninismo es como el sol que trae consigo una vida alegre. - Ho Chi Minh
Comunes el sol y el viento, común ha de ser la tierra, que vuelva común al pueblo, lo que del pueblo saliera
Maoism is (...) Marxism Leninism on cocaine - Rafiq
Pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté - Louis Antoine de Saint-Just
El marxismo conlleva muchos principios que en últimas instancias se compendian en una sola frase: “es justo rebelarse contra los reaccionarios" - Mao Tse-Tung
Die Barrikaden schließen der Strasse aber geöffnet der Weg.
This will not help our cause at all. Letting the capitalists experience socialism will make them socialist, torturing them will never. In fact, doing this will only cause hatred for socialism from the capitalists, their friends and families, its skeptical supporters, and unsure possible socialists.
