Maoism.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Don't really care. We're discussing Marxism, and I'm a Marxist. Therefore, I'm quite happy with Marx's definitions, thanks. Not Webster's. If we were discussing Websterism, and I a Websterist, you can bet your ass (or any other kind of donkey-like creature you have) that I would be insisting on Websterist definition.

We're discussing socialism, not Marxism. Anyways, that doesn't mean you shouldn't recognise that most others don't share your definition.

Merriam-Webster was the name of the dictionary, not an ideology.

[Blake's Baby]

Good lord, did you have to hand your sense of humour/adventure in when you joined the party? I know who Noah Webster was. And I know that 'Websterism' has been coined as synonym for spelling reform (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Websterism) and thus can be regarded as an ideology (or at least political position). Did the fact that made an ass/arse joke (hey, look, Americans and Brits sometime have a different spelling for the same words - and that might sometimes cause confusion, with hilarious consequences) not tip you off that I might have known what I was talking about?

Nobody in Britain takes Webster's dictionary seriously, by the way. If you want to make a point of definition to a Brit, much better to use the Oxford, or Collins at a push.


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Anyway, back at the farm, about 100 years ago there was a discussion about the DotP. Anyone still care about that?

Several things have come up to the front of my consciousness here. Does anyone, for instance, think that under the DotP the working class will not be an exploited class? If they do think that the working class will somehow not be exploited, then who is going to do the necessary work that will allow all the sick, the children and the elderly to survive? Someone has to do it. There isn't another class waiting in the historical wings for the proletariat to exploit (and if we did, we'd give up being proletarians and become bourgoises instead... red bourgeoises...) so what class will be the exploited class under the DotP, if not the working class?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Alright, I need to ask. What is the difference between Maoism and Mao Zedong Thought?

[ind_com]

Alright, I need to ask. What is the difference between Maoism and Mao Zedong Thought?

In the words of the CPI(Maoist), [FONT=tahoma]"Though in our understanding there is no distinction between MLM Thought and MLM and no Chinese Wall can separate the two, we have adopted Marxism-Leninism-Maoism as a new, third and qualitatively higher stage because it is more scientific and appropriate."[/FONT]

By using the term Maoism instead of Mao Zedong Thought, we emphasize on the fact that it is not merely the implementation of Marxism-Leninism in the concrete conditions of China, but a qualitative development over Marxism-Leninism, being developed even today.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Does anyone, for instance, think that under the DotP the working class will not be an exploited class?

How can they be both the ruling class and the exploited class?

[Ismail]

How can they be both the ruling class and the exploited class?

I'd love to see Blake's Baby quote Marx or Engels (or Lenin, Luxemburg or any other Marxist) that the proletariat exploits itself under its own leadership.

If they do think that the working class will somehow not be exploited, then who is going to do the necessary work that will allow all the sick, the children and the elderly to survive? Someone has to do it. There isn't another class waiting in the historical wings for the proletariat to exploit (and if we did, we'd give up being proletarians and become bourgoises instead... red bourgeoises...) so what class will be the exploited class under the DotP, if not the working class?

A guy I know was looking at this thread and upon seeing this actually joked to me "UNDER COMMUNISM THE PROLETARIAT WILL BE EXPLOITED BY THE IDIOT-PENSIONER CLASS."

[Blake's Baby]

How can they be both the ruling class and the exploited class?

They can have political power but still need to provide the surplus labour necessary for society to function.

So, who will provide the necessary work under the DotP then? Care to answer that?

[Fourth Internationalist]

So, who will provide the necessary work under the DotP then? Care to answer that?

Everyone who is able to work will work, like in communism.

[Blake's Baby]

So what's the difference between the DotP and communism, then, do you think?

[$lim_$weezy]

You guys should uh, move past the semantics and talk about something else, perhaps. It doesn't really matter what you call it as long as it's clarified...

Maybe for the sake of this discussion, just make a trivial distinction and get on with it

[Fourth Internationalist]

So what's the difference between the DotP and communism, then, do you think?

The dotp is a state and is not global, whereas communism has no state and is global. Those are the two biggest differences I can think of right now.

[Blake's Baby]

But a 'socialist economy' is established in the territory of the DotP from day one? So, contra Marx, there isn't a period of transformation, just the immediate establishment of... socialism in one country?