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    Default meet the nihilist-anarchist network bringing chaos to a town near you

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    Political "Russian" Nihilism is a one way ticket to demonising any revolutionary movement in today's world.
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    Of course, sooner or later they will kill or maim someone they really shouldn't, and then may the goddess of your choice help them with dealing with the backlash.

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    Bringing the bomb-throwing anarchist stereotype back.
    Is this resistance or a costume party?
    Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.

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    but isn´t the urge to destroy a creative one in the end?
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    Wow, that's some sloppy "journalism", the vid of the rabobank fire for example was maybe claimed in an rambling incoherent letter but arson was actually ruled out in the investigation, the picture of the cross cutting was an action by Ukrainian group femen, not even in Russia and anything but insurectionary anarchist...
    Also he should make up his mind wether FAI is an actual organization or a nom de guerre that can be picked up by anyone.
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    Of course, sooner or later they will kill or maim someone they really shouldn't, and then may the goddess of your choice help them with dealing with the backlash.

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    A bomb detonated outside a school in Italy a while back, killing a child, and it was blamed on them, actually.

    Not to say that they did it, but...
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    Also he should make up his mind wether FAI is an actual organization or a nom de guerre that can be picked up by anyone.
    I think the main thrust of his piece is that something can be both.

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    It seems to me that Nihilist anarchists usually operate under extreme conditions- conditions of extreme repression (as in Tsarist Russia) or conditions of extreme boredom (as in this article).
    Any real change implies the breakup of the world as one has always known it, the loss of all that gave one an identity, the end of safety. And at such a moment, unable to see and not daring to imagine what the future will now bring forth, one clings to what one knew, or dreamed that one possessed. Yet, it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long possessed that he is set free - he has set himself free - for higher dreams, for greater privileges.”
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    I think it's wrong to associate these guys with the Russian nihilists of many years ago. "Russian nihilism" was a blend of populism and mysticism, with especially heavy emphasis on Christian themes of martyrdom, etc. Maybe with a little egoism thrown in as well. It was a unique political movement of it's era and can't really be easily compared to modern political movements, in my opinion.
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    Every time these knuckleheads burn, or blow some shit up, guys in Armani suits aren't out sweeping up the glass or doing the repairs afterwards. Regular working class people are. The maintenance and janitorial crews of their targets have to hate these guys, but who cares about them? Nihilists.
    I don't sympathize with the Anarchists, but this typical 'argument' really is annoying. Do these people know how many buildings are destroyed each year by the Imperialists bombs, how many factories are gathering rust and dust because of the dysfunctional capitalist system?
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    I think it's wrong to associate these guys with the Russian nihilists of many years ago. "Russian nihilism" was a blend of populism and mysticism, with especially heavy emphasis on Christian themes of martyrdom, etc. Maybe with a little egoism thrown in as well. It was a unique political movement of it's era and can't really be easily compared to modern political movements, in my opinion.
    Yeah, I suppose i meant these general insurrectionist types
    Any real change implies the breakup of the world as one has always known it, the loss of all that gave one an identity, the end of safety. And at such a moment, unable to see and not daring to imagine what the future will now bring forth, one clings to what one knew, or dreamed that one possessed. Yet, it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long possessed that he is set free - he has set himself free - for higher dreams, for greater privileges.”
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    This is brilliantly meta. See, you just have to read in to the subtexts. The international nihilist conspiracy is actually Vice. The anarchists (FAI, and the other FAI), Femen, and accidental fires in banks are all in the service of the totally contentless [sic] project of some coked out hipsters from New York.
    Seriously, look in to Vice. There's some Thomas Pynchon level weirdness going on.
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    Political "Russian" Nihilism is a one way ticket to demonising any revolutionary movement in today's world.
    To me, this whole line is becoming a bigger and bigger cop out everytime in which I hear it.

    As I said numerous times, yes, hell forbid anyone take any direct action whatsoever.

    Bringing the bomb-throwing anarchist stereotype back.
    They're bringing sexy back.
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    As I said numerous times, yes, hell forbid anyone take any direct action whatsoever.
    Direct action is always substitutionism. I asked Monsieur DuPont.
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    To me, this whole line is becoming a bigger and bigger cop out everytime in which I hear it.

    As I said numerous times, yes, hell forbid anyone take any direct action whatsoever.
    This rings false to me for a few reasons. The biggest one being that the number and extremity of actions do not bring us closer to revolution and communism, or I would have moved to Greece a long time ago. Of course, the lack of actions and slogans does not bring us closer either, however.

    I could go out each night and break windows, spray-paint slogans against the police, or blow up stuff, but that would accomplish absolutely nothing. except perhaps giving me an adrenaline rush.

    I disagree with their tactics, but I would never condemn those who get pleasure from destroying property or whatever.
    Any real change implies the breakup of the world as one has always known it, the loss of all that gave one an identity, the end of safety. And at such a moment, unable to see and not daring to imagine what the future will now bring forth, one clings to what one knew, or dreamed that one possessed. Yet, it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long possessed that he is set free - he has set himself free - for higher dreams, for greater privileges.”
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    This rings false to me for a few reasons. The biggest one being that the number and extremity of actions do not bring us closer to revolution and communism, or I would have moved to Greece a long time ago. Of course, the lack of actions and slogans does not bring us closer either, however.
    Who said that was the point? Revolution ≠ Insurrection.

    "Revolution and insurrection must not be looked upon as synonymous. The former consists in an overturning of conditions, of the established condition or status, the State or society, and is accordingly a political or social act; the latter has indeed for its unavoidable consequence a transformation of circumstances, yet does not start from it but from men's discontent with themselves, is not an armed rising, but a rising of individuals, a getting up, without regard to the arrangements that spring from it. The Revolution aimed at new arrangements; insurrection leads us no longer to let ourselves be arranged, but to arrange ourselves, and sets no glittering hopes on "institutions." It is not a fight against the established, since, if it prospers, the established collapses of itself; it is only a working forth of me out of the established. If I leave the established, it is dead and passes into decay. Now, as my object is not the overthrow of an established order but my elevation above it, my purpose and deed are not a political or social but (as directed toward myself and my ownness alone) an egoistic purpose and deed."-Max Stirner.

    I disagree with their tactics, but I would never condemn those who get pleasure from destroying property or whatever.
    Direct action doesn't always equate to petty vandalism. Why is this sort of thing argued and situations framed as such single time we talk about groups like the IAF or BB? It seems rather intellectually limiting.
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    Who said that was the point? Revolution ≠ Insurrection.

    "Revolution and insurrection must not be looked upon as synonymous. The former consists in an overturning of conditions, of the established condition or status, the State or society, and is accordingly a political or social act; the latter has indeed for its unavoidable consequence a transformation of circumstances, yet does not start from it but from men's discontent with themselves, is not an armed rising, but a rising of individuals, a getting up, without regard to the arrangements that spring from it. The Revolution aimed at new arrangements; insurrection leads us no longer to let ourselves be arranged, but to arrange ourselves, and sets no glittering hopes on "institutions." It is not a fight against the established, since, if it prospers, the established collapses of itself; it is only a working forth of me out of the established. If I leave the established, it is dead and passes into decay. Now, as my object is not the overthrow of an established order but my elevation above it, my purpose and deed are not a political or social but (as directed toward myself and my ownness alone) an egoistic purpose and deed."-Max Stirner.
    By “insurrection,” most people mean a revolutionary uprising by the mass of people to overturn the ruling class and smash its state. By this definition the so-called insurrectionists are clearly not for an insurrection — a popular uprising — but are mainly interested in rebellious activities being carried out by themselves, a revolutionary minority.

    Insurrectionists have no overall strategy that can adapt through consideration of the current political climate. It is not one embedded in the wider working class movement. There is no strategy for creating a new society which must be built from the base up and involve a mass movement. This points to weak ideology. Insurrectionism places the activist and affinity group above the class. As such it is substitutionist.

    Direct action doesn't always equate to petty vandalism. Why is this sort of thing argued and situations framed as such single time we talk about groups like the IAF or BB? It seems rather intellectually limiting.
    Whatever the "direct action" is, it must be thoroughly thought through and not carried out just to make the individuals carrying them out to feel better. The action must be part of an overall strategy and linked to a wider working class movement.
    Any real change implies the breakup of the world as one has always known it, the loss of all that gave one an identity, the end of safety. And at such a moment, unable to see and not daring to imagine what the future will now bring forth, one clings to what one knew, or dreamed that one possessed. Yet, it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long possessed that he is set free - he has set himself free - for higher dreams, for greater privileges.”
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    Insurrectionists have no overall strategy that can adapt through consideration of the current political climate. It is not one embedded in the wider working class movement. There is no strategy for creating a new society which must be built from the base up and involve a mass movement. This points to weak ideology. Insurrectionism places the activist and affinity group above the class. As such it is substitutionist.

    i reckon you never read any insurrectionist or insurectionary influenced communisation theory than? the stuff i read is rather full off overal strategy, consideration of the current political climate and embedded in the wider working class climate, or at least a heck of a lot more than all the leftwing of fordism "revolutionary left" sects out there.
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