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    I am a member of the working class, so really...
    So am I so I guess we're equally 'connected to the class', just like every other prole. Doesn't really favor your argument about being connected to or disconnected from the class though does it?

    In which case you have just made a not quite well thought post, for it is indicative of such kind of position...

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    Isn't the world big enough to accommodate a diverse variety of tactics/strategies? There are billions of proletarians, I don't think it's remotely realistic to envision one single organisation, praxis or ideology winning over all of them.

    It's not exactly clear to me how insurrectionists blowing shit up prevents people from organising in the workplace. Surely a multi-pronged assault upon the capitalist price system would be more effective than any of those prongs in isolation?
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    *cue comment about 'alienating the masses'*
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    The capitalists control the state and means of production, not by some conspiracy, but with the consent or acquiescence of the majority of the population, a consent which expresses itself in everyday attitudes towards rich people, leaders, nationalism, money, etc. and, at election times, in voting for parties which support capitalism and class ownership.

    As I understand it, insurrectionism is useful in the context of a mass organised working class struggle against capital and the state. It is an extra tool against the boss class in times of heightened class struggle that can complement mass strikes, occupations, street fighting, barricades, etc, etc. But right now, we are no where near the point where the mass of people are ready to rise up against capital or the state, and to attempt any artificial insurrection is only to invite failure.
    Any real change implies the breakup of the world as one has always known it, the loss of all that gave one an identity, the end of safety. And at such a moment, unable to see and not daring to imagine what the future will now bring forth, one clings to what one knew, or dreamed that one possessed. Yet, it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long possessed that he is set free - he has set himself free - for higher dreams, for greater privileges.”
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    What is important to understand is that egoists and insurrectionists of this variety don't have the same goals as most of the people on this board do. They aren't trying to rally the working class into a mass movement, nor are they even really attempting to build an organization. So it is not surprising, that their tactics would differ from ours.

    As far as the group goes, I like them. Am I going to go out and do similar things? No, because I am for building a mass Marxist party capable of surpassing capital. However if these people find their actions personally liberating and blow up some symbols of capital's hegemony in the process (or kneecap some slimy businessmen) then more power to them.
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    You're not supposed to take hermeneutics to such a level
    I know, but I like to transgress the rules about hermeneutics. I am a serial hermeneuter.

    But sorry to have hermeneuted you too much.

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    I know, but I like to transgress the rules about hermeneutics. I am a serial hermeneuter.

    But sorry to have hermeneuted you too much.

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    No problem, your hermeneutism is hermeneuted.
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    No problem, your hermeneutism is hermeneuted.
    Question is, quis hermeneutiet ipsos hermeneutes.

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