Why would he want that when European social-democracy is falling apart even in Europe?
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Obama wants a European social democracyin the us but won't admit it
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Why would he want that when European social-democracy is falling apart even in Europe?
That all evidence points to the contrary...
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You need to stop believing everything you hear
Uyeah you're right I need to stop beliving in what Fox News said
it's what liberals and CPUSA'ers want Obama to want1
Obama is a fucking sociopath who enjoys and brags about drone striking people. Does that sound like social democracy?
European "Social Democracy" is a welfare state on steroids, that's it.
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--Carl Sagan
Obama and his center right policies are no where near social democracy. Take Obama's SOTU address, where he declared “the biggest cause of the nation’s long term debt” was “medical for the aged”, in other words, Medicare. Obama’s fixation on Medicare as the prime target for deficit cutting is not much different than what the Republicans want. All the more so since he’s been calling for massive Medicare cuts for the past two years.
The other tragedy in Obama’s SOTU address was jobs. The proposals raised were rehashed old programs, like his September 2011 ‘jobs’ bill; more subsidies and tax breaks for multinational corporations and manufacturers; a token infrastructure spending proposal with no details; and a pre-school education proposal that was strangely offered as the first step toward a ‘job retraining’ bill.
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Waiit I thought fighting for all of those things was reformist.
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
Haha, this surely a joke?!
Although the history of european social democrats is filled with shame and atrocity, I assume your usage is meant to imply a degree of enlightened social liberalism or internationalism, how can you square these thoughts with his record as it stands today?
To put this is the plainest most emotive way possible, he murders middle eastern children with robots and remote controlled missiles. He's probably killed at least if not more people than the republican murderer he replaced.
As far as Americans are concerned "European social-democracy" is just a softer way of saying the usual nonsense about Obama's EuroSocialist, or as it's often said "European style politics" junk. This goes along with the equally dumb nonissues of "big government" they tend to focus on for no real reason beyond some person yelling at them about it (ex THERE ARE MORE TAKERS THAN EARNERS IN OUR COUNTRY)
Let's look at the scoresheet so far:
-Instead of going for a nationalized healthcare system that SocDems championed, he compromised and instead created what's essentially a regulated private insurance system that everyone has to participate in.
-SocDems generally focus a lot on public programs. While Obama has been hesitant to enact deep cuts that the Republicans want in social security, unemployment, etc., he has also been continuously pointing out that those programs need to be restructured. While there has been a growth of people on food stamps, this is hardly because Obama made it easier for people to get on those programs, which are infact more the responsibility of states since the 1990s...
-SocDems are usually associated with Labor interests. Trade Unions threw themselves behind Obama (as they have done with Democrats in the past) in hopes of passage of the Employer Free Choice Act which the Dems didn't even pass when they had a working majority in Congress.
-Obama has been busily pushing for free trade proposals and embraced market globalization. SocDems were generally more focused on protectionist measures in the past.
-Obama has embraced the notion of "school reform", such as sugar-coated proposals like performance pay for example and charter schools. While he has opposed Republican measures for vouchers he has been fine with municipalities taking any necessary measures to control spending in their schools.
-Continuing from the above, while Obama has been pushing heavily for more higher education enrollment and trying to lower barriers for it, this is part of an overall strategy to make the workforce more educated and thus more appealing for foreign investment. Plus, it's not like education has become free, even community colleges need tuition (even if they are lower than a state college).
-Coming in to office as the recession started, Obama pushed through the stimulus package instead of a public works package that some of his supporters had hoped. While the Stimulus package had provisions to help with unemployment payments, medicare, and other similar social programs, the bulk of it went towards the debt-drowned banking sector and various programs to help with businesses and hiring. A SocDem would have likely done different.
-Tying into the above, corporate profits continue to rise. Social and public programs continue to get slashed across the country by different state and local governments without any opposition from the white house over it. There is none of the token investments into public programs that socdems are typically associated with as far as Obama is concerned- for the most part it has remained unchanged from the Bush years, which in turn did not adjust too heavily from the Clinton years.
Yes, more people may be on unemployment or foodstamps, but that's because the economy's on crap and not because he made it easier to do so. Plus as I said earlier most of those programs get decided at the state level.
Obama is hardly a leftist firebrand that the media in the US makes him out to be, indeed I think it's rather pathetic the lengths these morons will go to make assertions that Obama is socialist because of x regulation or y social program. Or big government/spending = socialism. It's a sad indication really that politics in the United States is so skewed to the right that Obama, who would honestly come off as a centrist at best, is apparently the antichrist, aka the second coming of Karl Marx.
Obama may have had some "radical" moments in his youth he had moved beyond them by the time he became a professional. His community organizer roots don't really mean diddly as far as a secret, insidious radical agenda for eurosocialism. As far as his position in the Democratic Party goes, he's part of an emerging trend in that party that has eschewed both the old conservative blue dogs and the more liberal west coast and "progressive caucus" members in favor of a distinctly more neoliberal direction. IE the third way politics Bill Clinton was known for.
In Europe I don't think Obama would be seen as a social democrat at all. Hell there are only a few people in the US I would think could become a social democrat in Europe- maybe Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kuchinich- and the current socdem, not the "old" socdem that is associated with their left-wing members yearning for post-WW II policies.
He actually wants Islamo-Communism, but don't tell anyone.
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i hate obama
The CP USA doesn't though.
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
To a "T".
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I don't support the CPUSA anymore after I found out their not communist they just want to vote for the democrats
Those are just capitalist wars, none of this has anything to do with upper case, Bebel and Leibhnacht, legitimate marxist Social Democracy, which phrase mongering doesn't equate with. Obama is a bourgeois chronic lier, not a social democrat, just like the "social dems" in erope within Labour and the French socialists.
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
Yes.
Luís Henrique
Sorry but Obama is a proven Anarcho-Juche spy from NK, not a social democrat by any means.
