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why not just host the meeting in a KKK/police/etc warehouse, are you okay with that, if it suits the needs of the organization and they had a hard time finding a "better" one?
i dream of a leftism that sees women as human beings. people wonder why women aren't so drawn to revleft or leftist organizations in general.
KKK won't even respond to an email on the matter
police will harass anyone of any sex or race.
But I mean if other venues were charging out the wazoo, what choice would the organizers have? Anarchists aren't made of money.
It's a bit dishonest comparing kink to the police and the KKK. I mean, they exploit workers and put out bad porn, but they've yet to straight up shoot people dead.
Cmon where do you want them to go? Where's another venue that is good and they can afford?
I ALMOST DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE BECAUSE OF ANARCHISM AND PUNK ROCK
Good point. I wonder if they would have considered renting something from a company involved in meat production even though it might alienate some militant vegans or whatever.
yeah. i realize i have more anti-porn opinions than most leftists have and i can kind of see where people are coming from, but the responses here and other places have been really dismissive and offensive. makes me think of this http://24.media.tumblr.com/db3c717e3...b9mbo1_500.jpg
We live in a capitalist society; most places you can think of are private property where workers are exploited, or State precincts where the political repression of our class is organised.
Sure, I would prefer to have this kind of meeting in a union place, or a university, but, barring places such as police precincts or far-right organisation places, which would likely expose people to spies and provocateurs, I would prefer having it somewhere than not having anywhere, out of "principled" prudery.
And I don't think seeing women as human beings imply being shocked by their exploitation as porn actresses, while indifferent to their exploitation as seamsters, bakers, office clerks, shop assistants, or housewives, or that the problem that prevents women to adhere to leftist organisations is the left's soft stance on pornography. Rather, I would say, the left's lack of understanding of the specific ways of exploitation women are submitted to in the labour market in general, and in domestic work.
That was funny, but what I see most of the time is the exact opposite: sex work depicted as slavery, in contrast to "normal" work in any other form of exploitation (one sloganeering line I have seen is "prostitution is not work, it is exploitation" - as if work wasn't exploitation first place).
Luís Henrique
That's really a nice idea; the left certainly needs to get rid of people who don't understand the difference between human beings and other animals.
Luís Henrique
Anarchism in the US has far too much irrelevant moralising and superfluous lifestylism, and stuff like this is indicative.
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Look no one here particularly likes bdsm, I think we all "get" what the problem is
But once again
What do you want them to do?
Where do you want them to go?
I ALMOST DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE BECAUSE OF ANARCHISM AND PUNK ROCK
BDSM can't be a mutually enjoyed practice between two (or more) consenting adults?
To be fair, even play-domination involves real elements.
Nonetheless, I really don't give a shit what you do in your bedroom/basement, and it's sort of unrelated to the topic at hand.
I ALMOST DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE BECAUSE OF ANARCHISM AND PUNK ROCK
Only problem I got with this is that porn is not exploitative because it's porn. No, it's two consenting adults who want to have fun in their own...kinky way, the real exploitation comes from the capitalist part of it. The workers in the porn industry are still wage slaves to capitalists.
I thought this was pretty good.
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
How do you know? I would imagine, from comments I have seen before, that a fair few people here do.
Devrim
Weird. I never got the vibe that bdsm was high on everyones porn rotation. I figured this was more an amateur cam sort of place.
I ALMOST DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE BECAUSE OF ANARCHISM AND PUNK ROCK
wait you mean this kink kastle thing actually kills the women and serves them for dinner
Humans can consciously stop the physical pain and emotional trauma of animals in industrial agriculture in its current state, meat factories and so on, where as other animals can only bare their teeth in a snarl and cry out in pain and shiver as their mind breaks.Originally Posted by Luis Henrique
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"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
So, the thing about that comic is it doesn't really jive with what you're saying about kink.com = cops/klanners - it just says, ultimately, that sex work is as shitty as all work.
I mean, from a feminist standpoint, I'd go a step further and say all work is sex work given the universal sexualization of women's bodies under patriarchal rule. Sex as such (as a category of activity within heteropatriarchal and capitalist frameworks) is something we need to be deeply critical of, and I don't see how setting "sex work" aside from work generally, or patriarchal relationships to women's bodies as mediated by the wage relation generally, is particularly useful for challenging the heteropatriarchal construction of sex (and of women).
There's maybe more to be critical of in "porn" in many of its manifestations than "sex work" writ large, but I don't think that has anything to do with it being pornographic per se, so much as it tends to be racist, misogynist, encourage unsafe sex practices, etc. That probably can't be said of, for example, the Crash Pad series, or The Raspberry Reich.
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No, that renting from the meat industry might alienate some of the audience who are vegans just as renting from a porn company might alienate some feminists, women, and anarchists who don't share the same views on porn. Hell it might make someone who was actually raped a little uncomfortable to be in a place that is used for people to have play-rape.
It just seems like a bizzare choice - which is why I chalk it up to the organizers probably just under pressure to find a place (something I'm empathetic to, while I'm not empethetic to ideological justifications for the choice). But I think it's more of a problem that then when critcism is brought up, it's people on the left have treated it like it's not big deal or the concerns are dismissed or ideological arguments are used to wave away the concerns. If an author came to the event and wanted to make an argument about why anarchists and other radicals should support sex-workers, then that's just a debate and since that debate exists, it would be totallyt appropriate to have such a speaker. However, that this debate exists on the Left, and then to choose a location like this -- well it's a strange choice.
Anarchist bookfair to be held in "porn warehouse"; massive shitstorm erupts
Well is kink or the meat industry any less or more questionable then renting from the Feds?
If you mean golden gate park - other than the high cost and that it's hard to get over there by public transportation, which is a good enough reason to want to relocate - in my opinion, no. Neither is saying that colleges wouldn't work because they have arms contracts and all manner of crap they do.
It's not where the money is going to that really concerns me, just that this good and broad event that can help people network and draw in people beyond just radical circles is going to be in a polarizing location that can potentially alienate people from these kinds of politics.
I think revolutionary class ideas like the best of marxism and anrchism have better answers for oppression because of the understanding of the relationship of oppression to class power in class societies. But choices such as this makes it harder to argue that our ideas about fighting things like sexism are serious.
Anarchist bookfair to be held in "porn warehouse"; massive shitstorm erupts
Btw the owner just got busted with coke after police were tipped off concerning a potential illegal gun range in the basement. Sounds like an awesome place for anarchists.
