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    Historically speaking communists and anarchists have worked alongside each other before and during the revolution, even if they came to oppose each other afterwards.
    That's not really true.
    In the first international the anarchists were kicked out.
    The Bolsheviks hated the anarchists, which anyone who reads a few pages of Lenin would see.
    Historically speaking even before a revolution anarchists and communists didn't work well alomgside each other.
    Is this resistance or a costume party?
    Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.

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    That's not really true.
    In the first international the anarchists were kicked out.
    The Bolsheviks hated the anarchists, which anyone who reads a few pages of Lenin would see.
    Historically speaking even before a revolution anarchists and communists didn't work well alomgside each other.
    What about how Makhno and the people of Free Territory helped the Bolsheviks fight off the white army (y'know before they were betrayed and slaughtered)?
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    That's not really true.
    In the first international the anarchists were kicked out.
    The Bolsheviks hated the anarchists, which anyone who reads a few pages of Lenin would see.
    Historically speaking even before a revolution anarchists and communists didn't work well alomgside each other.
    Actually, there were many Anarchists involved in the Soviets before the other parties got kicked out. In fact, many anarchists held positive views of the Bolsheviks until Kronstadt.

    I also have a book of Trotsky's speeches, one of which criticizes anarchist theory, but refers to anarchists as "comrades" and talked very positively of their involvement in the revolution.
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    Oh these evil, evil communists always betraying the innocent ingenuous anarchists...

    What some anarchists seldom say is that cheka officials had been killed by anarchists; that anarchist organizations, due to its anti-hierarchical character, were entered by reactionaries and so on.



    Also, I consider anarchists of all sorts (let alone an-caps) my comrades.
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    He call's it an "oxymoron" and that they are the opposites of each other and that if they were really communist and anarchist that these 2 groups would "absolutely despise" each other. I try to explain to them that the reason these 2 groups work with each other is to fight capitalism, y'know the old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". But he will have none of it, he says if you were really an anarchist you would "hate communism" but I don't. Can you guys clear this up for me? Also I know this teacher is a dunce he voted for Mitt Romney 0_0
    Give him a copy of Lenin's State and Revolution, or perhaps show him some literature about the early Communist International and how the Anarchists and Marxists disagreed over means, not ends. Direct textual evidence and actual historical events are something he won't be able to dispute. Maybe you won't make him an anarchist or Marxist but you can at least correct his glaring misunderstanding of the international socialist movement.
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    He probably imagines the whole situation as Sex Pistols vs KGB. What subject does he teach?
    LOL he teaches English.
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    Give him a copy of Lenin's State and Revolution, or perhaps show him some literature about the early Communist International and how the Anarchists and Marxists disagreed over means, not ends. Direct textual evidence and actual historical events are something he won't be able to dispute. Maybe you won't make him an anarchist or Marxist but you can at least correct his glaring misunderstanding of the international socialist movement.
    Well I wasn't planning on converting him but I want to explain to him that it can work, and educate him a little bit. The only thing I dislike is that he subtly injects his politics into his teachings, but overall I would say he's a good teacher. I have a B+ In the class and he actually loves that I'm one of the only students who disagrees with him and try's to have debates with him lol.
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    Tell your teacher that:
    1-Anarcho-Communism is not "a mix between anarchism and communism". It's a communist current that comes from the anarchist tradition, not the marxist one.
    2-Communism means a stateless, classless society, which is exactly what anarchists want. He's confusing communism with common sense view of the dictatorship of the proletariat ("RUSSIA"), which is a means to get to communism, not communism itself.
    3-Anarcho-communists are different from mainstream Marxist communists in that they don't want to have the dictatorship of the proletariat phase in between and want to go straight to the stateless classless thing.

    It's a very simplistic and somewhat vulgar explanation, but I guess it works for people with no idea what they're talking about.
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    I agree. There's no dichotomy between 'Anarchists' and 'Communists'. Some communists are Anarchists - Anarchist-Communists or Anarcho-Communists or Communist-Anarchists as they've variously been called (see, Peter/Pyotr Kropotkin, Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman etc) - and some communists are Marxists.

    While there are certainly disagreements (and still a lot of mutual incomprehension) between Anarchists and Marxists, Anarchist Communism has been a current of socialism since the 1880s.
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    LOL he teaches English.
    Good, because he'd be an abysmal history teacher.
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    Well I wasn't planning on converting him but I want to explain to him that it can work, and educate him a little bit. The only thing I dislike is that he subtly injects his politics into his teachings, but overall I would say he's a good teacher. I have a B+ In the class and he actually loves that I'm one of the only students who disagrees with him and try's to have debates with him lol.
    Make him a gift of a book on Anarcho-Communism.

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    You need to school him as it is obvious that he equates communism with the authoritarian regimes of state capitalism. In that respect, he is correct to argue that anarchists would hate the "communists". But he's wrong in thinking that the USSR, etc. were communist.
    "Events have their own logic, even when human beings do not." - Rosa Luxemburg

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    People who don't understand Communism think it's all about having a huge government that controls every part of human existence. I believe this is how he views communism thus, to him, Anarchism is its direct opposite.
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    Let me guess, people are greedy and stupid and if you tell them to share, they will hoard shit so you need a totalitarian government to make them share because sharing is against human nature?
    Was I spot on, I didn't actually read your post. But make sure to troll your teacher errday.
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    Your teacher confuses communism with state capitalist dictatorships. Actually, the communist experiences that you historically had came from anarchists uprisings.

    What about how Makhno and the people of Free Territory helped the Bolsheviks fight off the white army (y'know before they were betrayed and slaughtered)?
    Actually, there were many Anarchists involved in the Soviets before the other parties got kicked out. In fact, many anarchists held positive views of the Bolsheviks until Kronstadt.

    I also have a book of Trotsky's speeches, one of which criticizes anarchist theory, but refers to anarchists as "comrades" and talked very positively of their involvement in the revolution.
    There was never any sympathy of the Bolsheviks towards the anarchists or any kind of will for a long-term commitment, while it is true that anarchists wrongly trusted in the Bolsheviks in the beginning.

    The anarchists were merely used by the Bolsheviks firstly to overthrow the Tzar, next the provisional government and finally to get rid of the white army.

    The Bolsheviks plans were traced and they never included the anarchists in it nor they could due to its oppressive nature.
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    My history teacher is also a right-wing conservative nut-job but she doesn't spew her venom into the teaching's for the most part.
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    Haha I do. I come every day after school to talk to him. He think's i'm a "commie" and a "rebel without a cause" lol
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    Tell him to visit Revleft, heh. Although you might want to edit your posts above
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    He probably feels that way because far too many people are convinced that communism= bureaucratic-run state capitalism.
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    Tell him to visit Revleft, heh. Although you might want to edit your posts above
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