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Marxist-Leninist politician assassinated - Tunisia
Chokri Belaïd, member of the 'Parti du Travail Patriotique et Démocratique', which ostensibly follows 'scientific socialism' and is part of the Marxist-Leninist dominated Popular Front (which includes a Trotskyist and Arab nationalist factions as well), was assassinated on February 6, 2013.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21349719
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Why is he a Marxist-Leninist? Since when do Marxist-Leninist believe in parliamentary democracy?
Anti-government protesters have started riots throughout the country. Obviously, mostly attracting secular leftists.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...a37_story.html
Lenin argued in 'Left Communism: An Infantile Disorder' against the ultraleft opposition to parliamentary participation, virtually all Marxist-Leninist parties that can garner some popular support have participated in elections.
Wikipedia designates his party both as scientific socialist and Marxist-Leninist:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_populaire_(Tunisie))
It groups his party, Mouvement des patriotes démocrates, as Marxist-Leninist.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouveme...tes_democrates
This page calls its ideology 'Marxism'.
http://themoornextdoor.files.wordpre...istparties.pdf
This page calls its ideology Marxist-Leninist and Arab nationalist.
http://www.partistunisie.com/fr/mpd....cd6a920a687d9c
This page calls its ideology Marxist-Leninist.
Last edited by Tim Cornelis; 6th February 2013 at 18:18.
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"Marxism-Leninism" is just another word for left-nationalism.
I realize you are new but flaming like this is frowned upon around here.
I caught something on the news about this (but they conveniently left out the part about him having communist sympathies). If there are mass protests by secular leftists then I have to ask, what happens now? Really this raises many questions such as what is the current provisional government of Tunisia like? What's wrong with this guy or the people he was affiliated with? (Revleft can always answer that one) How violent are the protests? What are they demanding?
Needless to say, I've got some reading to do.
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Congradulations. You get to join the cool kids club by making fun of the nerd ideology.
Have fun lacking a spine.
Back on the topic. Does anyone have any other information about Communists in Tunisia? I hear the Tunisian worker's party was threatened with violence from Salfaist militias, hence the dropping of communist from their name, so I suppose they haven't been doing anything in an attempt to lay low. What about those Soviets that were set up, are they still opperational?
http://www.marxist.com/salafist-attack-pcot.htm
Apparently the TWP has gone revisionist. Saying they "don't want to establish a communist state"
Source: http://www.tunisia-live.net/2011/10/...mmunist-party/
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To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
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It is foolish for revolutionaries to oppose participation in elections on principle.
Demonstrations after the assassination
Any real change implies the breakup of the world as one has always known it, the loss of all that gave one an identity, the end of safety. And at such a moment, unable to see and not daring to imagine what the future will now bring forth, one clings to what one knew, or dreamed that one possessed. Yet, it is only when a man is able, without bitterness or self-pity, to surrender a dream he has long possessed that he is set free - he has set himself free - for higher dreams, for greater privileges.”
-James Baldwin
"We change ideas like neckties."
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Im sorry about my last comment I won't lash out like that again.
Even though participation in bourgeois democracy almost always necessitates the watering down of political positions to the point where the person(s) running may as well be reformists?
Yeah, what kind of moron thinks you can't overthrow capitalism by participating in the committee for managing the affairs of the bourgeoisie?
Oh wait...
"I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will." - Antonio Gramsci
"If he did advocate revolutionary change, such advocacy could not, of course, receive constitutional protection, since it would be by definition anti-constitutional."
- J.A. MacGuigan in Roach v. Canada, 1994
Tunisian leftwing opposition leader murdered, sparks nationwide protests
Tunisian opposition leader murdered, sparks nationwide protests
Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Updated 4:12pm: The murder of Tunisian opposition leader Chokri Belaid Wednesday morning sparked nationwide protests.
Belaid was shot dead a day after he had said on Tunisian Nessma TV that the leading Islamist party Ennahda had "given the green light for political assassinations."
Eight thousand protesters demonstrated outside the interior ministry in central Tunis on Wednesday chanting for the government to fall and for a second revolution...............
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content...s-it-terrorism
Egypt opposition leader warns over death edict
http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-oppositi...194901226.html
Last edited by freepalestine; 7th February 2013 at 05:30.
Tunisian leftwing opposition leader murdered, sparks nationwide protests
Tunisian opposition leader murdered, sparks nationwide protests
Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Updated 4:12pm: The murder of Tunisian opposition leader Chokri Belaid Wednesday morning sparked nationwide protests.
Belaid was shot dead a day after he had said on Tunisian Nessma TV that the leading Islamist party Ennahda had "given the green light for political assassinations."
Eight thousand protesters demonstrated outside the interior ministry in central Tunis on Wednesday chanting for the government to fall and for a second revolution......................
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content...s-it-terrorism
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Egypt opposition leader warns over death edict
Egypt opposition leader warns over death edict
By AMIR MAKAR | Associated Press – Wed, Feb 6, 2013
CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's most prominent opposition leader criticized the Islamist government on Wednesday for its silence over a Muslim cleric's edict calling for the death of opposition supporters.
Mohamed ElBaradei was responding to well-known ultraconservative cleric Mahmoud Shaaban, who said in a TV show last week that the opposition should be punished by death for seeking to bring down a leader who has been elected by the public.
"God's verdict is death," he said amid a new wave of protests against Islamist President Mohammed Morsi.
The fatwa, or religious edict, followed another one by hard-line cleric Magdi Ghoneim who said: "I publicly incite to kill the thugs, criminals, thieves, and those who burn the country and kill the innocents."
ElBaradei lamented the edicts in a message posted on his Twitter account
"Regime silent as another fatwa gives license to kill opposition in the name of Islam," he said, adding: "Religion yet again used and abused."
The edicts caused alarm in Egypt after a Tunisian opposition leader critical of the Islamist-led government there was assassinated on Wednesday.
Tunisia was the first Arab country to witness a mass uprising and Egyptians watch Tunisia for cues on the direction their own country might take.
At the same time, Morsi's office accused the opposition on Wednesday of benefiting from the recent wave of violence that left more than 70 people dead. Yasser Ali, Morsi's spokesman, told reporters that the opposition was using the clashes "as a means of political pressure."
Egypt has been engulfed in riots and protests over the past two weeks.
The mostly liberal opposition and a large sector of moderate Muslims are demanding Morsi amend the constitution, which was passed hurriedly by an Islamist-led constituent assembly and approved in a referendum despite vigorous opposition objections.
Egypt's powerful military has warned recently of the "collapse" of the state in mid of political fragmentation.
Criticism of Morsi's administration has mounted lately after a string of violent sexual assaults on female protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square. On Wednesday, an international rights group warned mob-led sexual assaults will only increase if perpetrators are not punished.
Amnesty International said statements from victims show that the assaults follow a "clear pattern" where mobs of men encircle the victims, assault them with weapons and hands and then try to undress them.
Amnesty's warning followed a statement from the U.N. human rights office, which last week said that about 25 women were reportedly sexually assaulted — in some cases with extraordinary violence — in Tahrir Square during recent demonstrations against Morsi.
The square witnessed a number of assaults against women — both protesters and journalists — in the aftermath of the uprising. Women have been stripped, groped and raped at demonstrations there.
The U.N. agency demanded that Egyptian authorities take steps to bring the perpetrators to justice. Amnesty also urged prompt action.
"Horrific, violent attacks on women, including rape in the vicinity of Tahrir Square, demonstrate that it's now crucial President Morsi takes drastic steps to end this culture of impunity and gender-based discrimination," said Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui of the London-based group.
Amnesty cited a report by a local anti-harassment group, which said that a total of 19 violent attacks against women took place on Jan. 25 alone — the day Egyptians staged a huge demonstration in Cairo to mark the second anniversary of the uprising that ousted authoritarian leader Hosni Mubarak.
Activists have called the incidents the worst in years, describing them as the darkest stain on the country's opposition street movement.
One particular attack on a woman on Jan. 25 has stood out: A mob of men in Tahrir Square raped a 19-year-old woman with a sharp object, cutting her genitals in an attack that forced her to undergo emergency surgery.
Some 2,000 people rallied in downtown Cairo on Wednesday, protesting against the failure of Morsi's government to protect women demonstrators. Some at the rally raised banners reading: "Those silent against the harassers are devils."
In other developments, the official news agency said the country's top appeals court has granted retrials for two senior officials from the Mubarak regime.
MENA says the court threw out guilty verdicts for Mubarak's chief-of-staff, Zakariya Azmi, and former Agriculture Minister Amin Abaza. They were charged with illegally acquiring and concealing gains from real estate deals.
Several Mubarak-era officials face retrials after their verdicts were overthrown — a development that puts the spotlight in Egypt back on the highly divisive issue of justice for former regime members, two years after the uprising.
Mubarak's own life sentence on a conviction of failing to prevent the killing of hundreds of protesters has been overturned and he is to be re-tried along with his top security officers.
http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-oppositi...194901226.html
Last edited by freepalestine; 7th February 2013 at 21:28.
But he's right, we shouldn't oppose it as a matter of principle.Yeah, what kind of moron thinks you can't overthrow capitalism by participating in the committee for managing the affairs of the bourgeoisie?
Oh wait...
Hmm, true enough, it's just the implication seemed to be that we should in fact participate in the bourgeois electoral process rather than that we should not do so because of an understanding, based in class awareness, that it amounts to reformism at best.
"I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will." - Antonio Gramsci
"If he did advocate revolutionary change, such advocacy could not, of course, receive constitutional protection, since it would be by definition anti-constitutional."
- J.A. MacGuigan in Roach v. Canada, 1994
Since ever?
Never met one that wasn't into it up to (at least) his neck.
Luís Henrique
Does it? Why?
Luís Henrique
French wikipedia article on the Democratic Patriotic Movement:
"Marxist and pan-Arabic, its ideological principles emerged in the 1970s and offer a "national revolution Democrat" based on a scientific analysis of society based primarily on class struggle, between an oppressed class consisting of the workers, small farmers, unemployed, civil servants, artisans and "capitalist patriots" [...]"
My translation may be very crappy, anyone who knows french, feel free to check http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouveme...%C3%A9mocrates.
There's also a party program there, if anyone is interested.
"Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more."
― Karl Marx
It is clearly a reformist party.
That said, this murder requires our complete and inconditional repulse. Whatever ideologies of this party and its leader, his assessination is intended as a direct attack against the organisation and autonomy of the Tunisian working class. Failing to oppose this act of class aggression on sectarian grounds can only reinforce the murderers and their bosses - ultimately, the Tunisian bourgeoisie and its imperialist allies.
Luís Henrique
You didn't elaborate on what exactly is meant here by "principle".
As far as I'm concerned, principles flow from an assessment of the current historical configuration, which takes into account both the global dynamics of capital and class struggle and the aspect of uneven development.
This being said, the principle of the autonomy of the class vis-a-vis the bourgeois state, in conjunction with the fact that the progressive period of capitalism has long since passed (capital cannot afford itself yet another round of extensive concessions and reform, for instance, a significant shortening of the working week in combination with wages decoupled from productivity deals; I don't think that even a labour law reform which would reverse labour market flexibilization is possible), I think it is a matter of principles not to stand in elections. This even leaves out very real dangers of parliamentary participation on behalf of one kind or another of a mass party, where the tendency towards integration and co-optation is very strong.
I agree absolutely.
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Merged Tim-Cornelis' and freepalestine's threads on the assassination of Belaïd.
