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Jon Stewart
He's quite funny, but what's he actually about? I've seen a bit of the Daily Show where he claims to be a socialist, and he's definitely more than a standard liberal, but does anyone have more on that? The impression I got was he was a social democrat, but i'd like to believe, man.
Can anyone shed some more light on his aims/views?
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He's a liberal from what I can gather. Calling him a democratic socialist, is definitely an over stretch. Colbert is better anyways, he's a great troll.
as he is an progressive newyork jew he is bound to have a bunch of old communists in his family, but he himself; social-dem at best.
but his (and colberts) value is not in thier private politics, its in their function of court-jester, they are the ones who point out that the emperor have no clothes on. and i for one am happy they do so regardless of whether the emperor claims to be right or left wing.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
From what I've seen he is just another boring Liberal.
He is just as much a socialist as Obama is, being none. It isn't surprising that he regularly defends Obama and the Democrats.
I would also disagree with him being funny, but I guess that is more a thing of taste, as in me having it while he does not.
Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Stewarts comedy either.
He isn't funny at all in and of himself, his jokes are terrible. If he just went silent and let all the videos play out without his dumb commentary it would probably be a much better show, I watch it mainly for the displays of overall hypocrisy, lies, bullshit, and stupidity. The way he juxtaposes videos of stupid conservatives on fox, really bad reporting on cnn/msnbc/fox, weirdo conservative talk radio clips, completely out of touch with reality congressmen on cspan, and the compare and contrast videos of elected officials flip flopping dramatically, ect. it is just brilliant. Then again most of his other segments not dealing with analysis of media/politics through video clips are complete garbage.
his comedy is fantastic. i really don't get anyone not liking his humor, unless this thread is about being 'too hip' for Stewart.
although i'm sure its really just a matter of different preferences, like those who like it's always sunny in Philadelphia or glee..."whats your spaghetti policy here?" if i have to drink nine cups of hipster coffee to have the slightest glimmer of why someone would find that question funny, that's too much work to understand an unfunny joke.
Stewart however, is quite brazen to often go on fox shows as a guest, always at ease dealing with their attacks. if more of us were that way in public talking about socialism, we'd be much better at spreading awareness.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one
~Spock
I still watch his show from time to time, mostly when I'm waiting for Colbert to come on.
The difference is that It's always sunny in Phildelphia is hilarious, unlike Stewart.
Probably because his show is highly political so the Liberalism comes right back in his, horrible excuse for, jokes.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
Anyone who dislikes 'Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia' is getting sent to a gulag after the revolution.
I've watched Jon Stewart for years. He's an entertainer first and formost, along with the corespondents, who are debatably funnier than Stewart himself. I remember Al Madrigal went to Arizona to do a story on SB-1070 when they were trying to pass that shit. Overall he's whatever the writers want him to be, he was more radical during occupy than during the election for example.
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--Carl Sagan
I second this. Denim chicken? Vermhats Wormhats?
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
Well when Colbert was on the daily show he was by far the most enjoyable part of the show. Your last sentence is spot on too.
in fairness, i haven't watched sunny really. the little i've seen though sounds way too much like annoying workplace humor by people who think being dense and rude is somehow funny.
if you mumble some nonsense and you and your buddies laugh like monkeys that just flung shit at each other, all i can do is look at you and ask "why??"
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one
~Spock
This isn't exactly true. Yes, he does defend Obama and the democrats, especially during election time, but usually outside of election season he will, and has, criticized democrats and Obama. I would disagree with the characterization that he "regularly defends Obama and the Democrats".
"The exploited are not carriers of any positive project, be it even the classless society (which all too closely resembles the productive set up). Capital is their only community. They can only escape by destroying everything that makes them exploited...Capitalism has not created the conditions of its overcoming in communism-the famous bourgeoisie forging the arms of its own extinction-but of a world of horrors." -At Daggers Drawn
"Our strategy is therefore the following: to establish and maintain a series of centers of desertion, or poles of secession, of rallying points. For runaways. For those who leave. A series of places where we can escape from the influence of a civilization that is headed for the abyss." -Tiqqun, Call
I agree with you here, but.........
No, It's Always Sunny is brilliant. You sir, deserve nothing less than a gulag.
"The exploited are not carriers of any positive project, be it even the classless society (which all too closely resembles the productive set up). Capital is their only community. They can only escape by destroying everything that makes them exploited...Capitalism has not created the conditions of its overcoming in communism-the famous bourgeoisie forging the arms of its own extinction-but of a world of horrors." -At Daggers Drawn
"Our strategy is therefore the following: to establish and maintain a series of centers of desertion, or poles of secession, of rallying points. For runaways. For those who leave. A series of places where we can escape from the influence of a civilization that is headed for the abyss." -Tiqqun, Call
regularly[ reg-yuh-ler-lee ]
adverb
1. at regular times or intervals.
Every four years, seems pretty regular.
I don't really care when he does. The fact that he runs right back to the right during election times really only shows his liberalism.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
Well I mean, just given the fact that he's on mainstream t.v., he's got to be a liberal. They wouldn't be letting some socialist host their own show.
He's one of those boring self-styled centrists who just wants politics to be less divisive, and kids himself that he represents some kind of 'silent majority' of rational people in the USA, who've been victimized by the national political conversation being dominated by 'extremists' of the left and right. Which is pure delusion, of course, and if anything I wish politics were MORE divisive in this country, not less.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Agreed. I seriously do not know how people even find most of these kind of FX or Comedy Central shows remotely funny. The only shows I find funny are Colbert and the Daily Show sans Stewart.
Stewart is a blowhard. The way he lumped unions, left wingers and marxists as in the same "divisive" camp as right wing hardline Tea Baggers was just absurd. He was called out on it and I am glad he had egg on his face. He had a guest on last year I believe that wrote a book in defense of unions and Stewart was quick to point our the "corruption" in unions and drone on and on about it, trying desperately to be "balanced".
He's one of those boring self-styled centrists who just wants politics to be less divisive, and kids himself that he represents some kind of 'silent majority' of rational people in the USA, who've been victimized by the national political conversation being dominated by 'extremists' of the left and right. Which is pure delusion, of course, and if anything I wish politics were MORE divisive in this country, not less. Today 19:53
He's one of those boring self-styled centrists who just wants politics to be less divisive, and kids himself that he represents some kind of 'silent majority' of rational people in the USA, who've been victimized by the national political conversation being dominated by 'extremists' of the left and right. Which is pure delusion, of course, and if anything I wish politics were MORE divisive in this country, not less. Today 19:53
Os Cangaceiros hit it right on the nail. This whole moderate liberal centrist "extremism" where everything has to be completely "balanced", which usually translates into a CEO of a private charter school having a say as to whether teachers are being paid too much. I think Jon's ilk are worse than some liberals who actually take a stand. Instead Stewart and Co. blame "far left" Code Pink protestors for being too rigid in their call for peace? I mean the guy is a jerk, just a plain liberal douche like Cenk from TYT. These guys just believe they are the moderate center ground, the clear headed and everyone else are just "extremists".
Trust me these are the types that champion Waiting for Superman or failed NGO trends like microfinance, etc. They're trendy liberal centrists that believe the market with some mild social welfare can reform the system. I would put Stewart staight in the New Labour or New Democract camp.
He's one of those boring self-styled centrists who just wants politics to be less divisive, and kids himself that he represents some kind of 'silent majority' of rational people in the USA, who've been victimized by the national political conversation being dominated by 'extremists' of the left and right. Which is pure delusion, of course, and if anything I wish politics were MORE divisive in this country, not less. Today 19:53
