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You should probably read the article that psycho quoted. They are destroying surveillance cameras that the bourgeois state use to show police who to attack. The cameras obviously won't destroy themselves and there are thousands of them in Berlin, it takes time.
What is it expected to achieve? Well obviously they are trying to undo surveillance of the bourgeois state. You do know what a camera is right?
"[People] act like its some kind of rock solid homogeneous body of masculine oiled men with big hammers and flat caps standing outside factory gates chewing tobacco and muttering 'those damn petit-bourgeois students and their alienating camera-smashing, I sure love me some CCTV! Don't you, comrade stakhnov?'." - Ravachol
Well, many "radicals" particularly of this kind are students and others who aren't directly invested in the labour process. But putting that possibility aside, that "certain segment" thing is really a big issue. This is action by a few individuals to satisfy some revolutionist reflex. It isn't mass action and it doesn't serve to facilitate such action. It's completely alienated from organised class politics.
Speak for yourself. Many Communists are among the most highly respected members of the labour movement, even those with fairly dodgy politics. You'll find that people are much more receptive to your ideas if you don't act like a angsty teenager.
Then they will fail as they will never destroy every camera in Berlin.
The left never ceases to amaze me. Activists destroying state surveillance and people find reasons to complain.
Source and statistics or bull.
Well obviously their goal isn't to destroy every camera in Berlin, or else they would have smashed theirs.
"[People] act like its some kind of rock solid homogeneous body of masculine oiled men with big hammers and flat caps standing outside factory gates chewing tobacco and muttering 'those damn petit-bourgeois students and their alienating camera-smashing, I sure love me some CCTV! Don't you, comrade stakhnov?'." - Ravachol
Highly respected members of the labour movement? Go fuck yourself. These people aren't idiots who run around tipping cars - they're quite clearly engaging in active sabotage as a response to a very real political threat in Berlin. The fact that you dismiss these kinds of people as angsty teenagers speaks volumes about your politics.
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I'm not the one who claimed that they are members of the working class. I suggested that they could easily not be and that it doesn't matter if they are. The burden of proof isn't on me.
Ah, yes. The path to revolution rooted a few self-appointed revolutionaries making everyone else look bad through a highly ineffective, and probably insincere, strategy of property damage. I'm sure that won't be counter-productive.
Yes, the the ordinary workers I engage in politics with would no doubt agree. That's why I'm taken seriously.
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Well if the majority of the people of the world are members of the working class, then mathematically, these people are more than likely to be members of the working class. But I digress...
The point is, I don't think this campaign is about liberating the proletariat. It's about causing some slow down and hardships to the state, especially one that is hosting a pig fest next month. It's an isolated struggle against a specific process and practice, not an over-arching plan to involve the masses.
"[People] act like its some kind of rock solid homogeneous body of masculine oiled men with big hammers and flat caps standing outside factory gates chewing tobacco and muttering 'those damn petit-bourgeois students and their alienating camera-smashing, I sure love me some CCTV! Don't you, comrade stakhnov?'." - Ravachol
I never said that those two were for sure were members of the working class. I said that generally speaking activists (given their political leanings) are members of the working class.
Precisely my point.
And an extra drain on workers' taxes. At least that's how most members of the working class will see it. This isn't about organising the working class, I know, that's fine, it doesn't have to be. But then we're not going to agree because we clearly have different objectives.
Please, that's no way to refer to our fellow workers. Comradely language is one of the few things under capitalism that costs nothing.
Brutal, but not surprising, it fits in well wit the rest of your politics. They're not workers in uniforms, they're bourgeois cops. Pigs.
They're not bourgeois, they're employees of the bourgeoisie (via their state). Just the same as all other workers.
'The worker who becomes a policeman in the service of the capitalist state, is a bourgeois cop, not a worker.' Leon Trotsky; What Next?; 1932.
They're class traitors and deserved to be treated as such.
We could argue about the meaning of that quote in context but there's very little point, I don't bow down before sacred scripture.
You don't have to. It's pretty common sense to Marxists that cops, despite their proletarian background, act in the interest of capital and are class traitors.
All workers work in the interests of capital, they aren't employed by it for nothing! The factory worker works in the interests of capital, as does the nurse, the secretary and the cop.
Except the cop's job is to preserve the existing state of things. ACAB.
The job of the nurse employed by the state healthcare system and of the driver on the state owned trains is to preseve capitalism, the capitalist state doesn't provide these services out of the kindness of its warm heart, it does so because providing such services has long been part of the capitalist strategy to smooth the running of the accumulation of capital (in part by preventing the rise of militancy).
Alright, I understand that your point is that this campaign is not aimed directly at the over-throw of capitalism.
However, (and pardon my French), I'll say whatever the fuck I want to.
"[People] act like its some kind of rock solid homogeneous body of masculine oiled men with big hammers and flat caps standing outside factory gates chewing tobacco and muttering 'those damn petit-bourgeois students and their alienating camera-smashing, I sure love me some CCTV! Don't you, comrade stakhnov?'." - Ravachol
That's not a good argument at all. You seriously want to try and make that case? For your sake, I'd suggest you don't. The notion that a nurse and cop are both equally preserving the state is laughable.
You have the right to say it and I have the right to call you out on it.
Why? Because one does so more directly than the other?
