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    Can a Marxist-Leninist be anti Stalinist? The majority i have met have been devoutly Stalinist. I know Marxism Leninism and stalinism can be used inter changeably, but are there any non-Stalinist or anti Stalinist MLs?
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    Marxism-Leninism is essentially defined by the belief that Socialism can be established in one country and ML's point to the USSR to have been an example of a Socialist state, including the years of Stalin. Contrary to what the name suggests it is not the mere fusion of Lenin and Marx but also includes Stalin's theory 'Socialism in one country' which most other Marxist tendencies believe is a revision of Marx's and Lenin's thought and that Stalin merely used the term Marxism-Leninism as a justification for the policies persued by his government. The other inheritor of Leninist thought is Trotskyism, a theory which most other Marxist tendencies argue is far closer to Lenins thought, in spite of its name. Much of the issue revolves around language, for example the word 'Trotskyist' whilst only mentioning Trotsky also includes Marxism and Leninism as the foundations of this thought with Trotsky himself representing the fullest development of Marxist and Leninist theory. So it is possible to be be 'Marxist and Leninist' without being 'Marxist-Leninist' which as I mentioned before is used by those who believe that socialism is possible in one country (a theory first put forward by Stalin and his supporters) and indeed was realised in the USSR. To answer your question, there are many anti-Stalin ML's insofar as they oppose some of his policies (such as Khruschev who opposed the purges), but all accept the premise that socialism is possible in one country using the USSR as an example. Thus, many Marxists, including myself, believe that those who call themselves 'Marxist-Leninists' are actually Stalinist in theory regardless of what they think of the man or his policies.
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    "Stalinist" is a slur term used by Trotskyists, Left-Communists and Anarchists, it is not a real tendency. "Stalinist" denotes a Marxist-Leninist who can be highly critical of Stalin.
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    "Stalinist" is a slur term used by Trotskyists, Left-Communists and Anarchists, it is not a real tendency. "Stalinist" denotes a Marxist-Leninist who can be highly critical of Stalin.
    As someone who would describe themselves as an M-L in a multi-tendencey political party with loads of M-Ls in it I have never, in all my years, ever heard M-L describe themselves as a "Stalinist" or have an uncritical view of Stalin. Its a made up derogatory term used as a slur by the Trots and other reactionary's.
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    As someone who would describe themselves as an M-L in a multi-tendencey political party with loads of M-Ls in it I have never, in all my years, ever heard M-L describe themselves as a "Stalinist" or have an uncritical view of Stalin. Its a made up derogatory term used as a slur by the Trots and other reactionary's.
    Which is what I just said...
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    Which is what I just said...
    I was agreeing with you.
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    Anti-Stalinist ML = Bordiga
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    I was agreeing with you.
    Alright, sorry, I wasn't sure.
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    Anti-Stalinist ML = Bordiga
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    Khruschevism (if thats even a thing)
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    Non-stalinist ML, that is like having a non-anarchist libertarian communist.
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    Or Brezhnevism or "M-L of the era of developed socialism"
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    Anti-Stalinist ML = Bordiga
    Well, Bordiga certainly didn't support Socialism in One Country, national liberation (until later in his life anyway), or the popular front, and considered the Soviet Union state-capitalist, although I believe he did support democratic centralism and a one party state as well as considered himself a Leninist, but his positions on the formers keep him squarely within the ultra left tradition.
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    Alright, sorry, I wasn't sure.
    Ok, don't let it happen again ...
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    "Stalinist" is a slur term used by Trotskyists, Left-Communists and Anarchists, it is not a real tendency. "Stalinist" denotes a Marxist-Leninist who can be highly critical of Stalin.
    No, 'Stalinist' is the correct term for any self-described 'communist' who is influenced by Stalin. 'Marxist-Leninist' Is the dumbest name one could use for such a tendency, and Stalinist is much more accurate.

    I know many people who ascribe to both Marx and Lenin that don't gobble up the rot dribbled out by stalin-apologists.
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    Non-stalinist ML, that is like having a non-anarchist libertarian communist.
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    Yes, you can be a Marxist and a Leninist without being a Stalinist.

    But personally, I've never really understood what the term "Marxist-Leninist" is supposed to mean: if you're a Leninist, you already believe Lenin was authentically Marxist, so isn't it a redundant phrase? You don't need to say or imply you are Marxist AND Leninist
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    Yes, you can be a Marxist and a Leninist without being a Stalinist.

    But personally, I've never really understood what the term "Marxist-Leninist" is supposed to mean: if you're a Leninist, you already believe Lenin was a Marxist, so isn't it a redundant phrase? You don't need to say or imply you are Marxist AND Leninist
    On an ideological level I believe it was designed to differentiate between Marxists who followed Lenin's line and Marxists who denounced him. On a political level it probably made the tendency sound more legitimate.

    I once met a guy who supported Lenin and everyone who came after Stalin. He said that Stalin was a revisionist but leaders like Brezhnev were getting the USSR back on track to what Lenin wanted, but Gorbachev screwed things up.
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    An 'anti-stalinist' ML is just posturing. For all intents and purposes, he would do little different from Stalin as he has already accepted at least some of his revisings.

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