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    When they denouce both Capitalism and Communism, it's easier for them not to get red baited. Obviously they are on the radical left end of the political spectrum, to me they are Star Trek Commies.
    That is a good strategy, as many people fear the very word "communism". I'm a fan of Star Trek, I wish I knew more about their political/economic system, here is what I remember.

    In the 23rd Century they evolved beyond the use of money.

    They don't work for financial gains but for personal satisfaction and fulfillment of the soul.

    Planet Earth is a single government and a member of the United Federation of Planets.

    On the other hand the Ferengi, an alien race do everything for profit and are a caricature of the current capitalist system and no members of the federation trust them.

    Sometimes I think if we change the name of communism to Star Trekism we just might convert the world?
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    Originally Posted by Green Girl
    Sometimes I think if we change the name of communism to Star Trekism we just might convert the world?
    Eh, I dunno, I have a feeling that would cause a pretty large rivalry with Star Warsists, who would instead opt for an Iran-type Republic where a religious order of mystics is in power and no one heard of secularism.

    @OP: They haven't achieved much beyond their popularity (and that's arguable). Still, I'm kind of/sort of looking forward to the new film they got in works, "Beyond the Pale", was it?
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    I enjoyed that also, however Alex does have a point about "suicide murder pills" as I take one of the type he speaks of to deaden nerve pain which is also used as a anti-depressant, it's called Nortriptyline.

    From the long list of side effects:

    "You may have thoughts about suicide when you first start taking an antidepressant such as nortriptyline, especially if you are younger than 24 years old. Your doctor will need to check you at regular visits for at least the first 12 weeks of treatment."

    I just did some quick research and only two people committed murder while on Nortriptyline."

    I've been taking it for about 10 years and I have never attempted suicide or tried to kill anyone.

    However there are other anti-depressants that have far worse track records.

    Anyway I agree with Alex Jones as when workers occupy and take over their workplaces they will need guns for protection.
    Sure, I don't disagree that TCAs have that side effect in people under 25 years of age. But the problem is that AJ thinks the government or whatever is deliberately giving people TCA to make them suicidal, which is obviously a nutcase conspiracy theory.

    What's the cause of your nerve pain btw, if you don't mind me asking.
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    Sure, I don't disagree that TCAs have that side effect in people under 25 years of age. But the problem is that AJ thinks the government or whatever is deliberately giving people TCA to make them suicidal, which is obviously a nutcase conspiracy theory.

    What's the cause of your nerve pain btw, if you don't mind me asking.
    I have constant pain in my head coupled with short-term and long-term memory losses. Regular pain killers on their own don't help lower the pain level. I take several prescription pain reducers along with Nortriptyline and a wet paper towel on my forehead as needed.

    Some background, I'm a bit of a klutz and have had many head injuries so I have had a few CAT scans throughout my life. When memory problems started to surface I had a MRI.

    The head pain began in early 2000's when I slipped on an oil spot while running with my laundry basket in the rain so it wouldn't get wet. I fell down on the edge of a concrete block and bashed in the side of my head and broke my glasses. I had a concussion and they did a CAT scan but the pain didn't go away. Since the CAT scan was clean it was decided that I have nerve damage.

    Alex Jones believes everything is a conspiracy. Just don't attempt to take his guns. I don't think he could sleep at night without them as he is a little paranoid.
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    Sometimes I think if we change the name of communism to Star Trekism we just might convert the world?

    I like Star Trek too, but in one of thousands episodes there was stated that money became obsolete. Many fans have no idea that it is society without private property. And definitely we can't say it is classless and stateless society. There is a class of military bureaucrats there is president of interplanetary state of which allies are a feudal organizations (the Klingon Empire) or military dictatorships (The Romulus Empire).

    The Zeitgeist Movement is better in terms of propaganda. They criticize capitalism and show that the only way is to abolish private property and replace it with a program of utilizing of things. I find it more effective.
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    To me it seems like repackaged Marxism to appeal to those indoctrinated in bourgeois culture. I mean, it's no coincidence that they advocate the abolition of markets and private property and a planned "resource-based" economy. But their strategies are lame and only appeal to bourgeois pacifists and tend to attract conspiracy theorists because of the nonsense in their videos. They've certainly achieved something, just not what we would want them to.
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    IMHO Zeitgeist Movement isn't Marxism in any way. Due to lack of the transition period from capitalism to communism, it is a form of anarcho-communism. And this is why their activity is contradictory to what Stalinists would want to.

    Nonetheless, from the perspective of all who want stateless and classless society without private property their activity in terms of propaganda for such society it can be estimated as very useful advertising.

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