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Has Zeitgeist achieved ANYTHING?
I remember all that fuzz with these movies, everyone saw them, and then there was the movement, and then... nothing. Do they still exist? Have they managed to achieved anything?
Not everyone saw them. (That would have been an achievement)
They function as an internet cult along with The Venus Project and that whole crew with some crossover with the more paranoid wing of the Ron Paul / "Liberty" / Libertarian 'movement'.
There's a lot of focus on dissecting the Zeitgeist / Venus Project cult stuff on the Skeptic Project's site
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I wasn't aware they officially broke up, thanks. I'd still consider them related, though.
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I once saw three Zeitgeist types in real life, or at least I think I did. A couple of years ago I was invited to listen to a lecture about technocracy in Stockholm, and these really weird looking guys just came in, like 10 minutes late and sat or stood at the back of the room without saying anything (except telling the lecturer who they represented, he later told me).
They just were there and looked really mysterious. Then they left 10 minutes before the lecture ended. It all felt very surreal and weird.
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I've met Zeitgeist types. They either typically act like run of the mill liberal activist types or Ron Paul/Libertarian types; only difference is that they spout off stuff about the Venus Project without ever really clarifying conclusively how they will reach that (what you expect from utopians)...
I know two of them however that have either become anarchists (in a loose sense of that word; ugh, I hate how America has such a loose stupid interpretation of what anarchism is. At least they don't support markets or whatever, but they sometimes spout the usual Rothbard BS version of voluntaryism or NAP and they also equally see capitalism as the enemy alongside the state, maybe even seeing the state as a tool of capitalist control...so at least it ain't so bad) or at least sympathetic to the idea.
They have achieved close to nothing outside spawn a new spawn of politic-nerds or conspiracy theorist types with a utopian idea yet with little traction on the wider public.
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I don't know how Ron Paul supporters can be confused about zeitgeists program which is clearly for a stateless classless society without money. Some who i have met with were really into banking reform. Which is highly regulated banking reforms, putting them in the social democratic camp.
Well, recently the Ron Paul support has died down ever since the second Zeitgeist documentary (however, the first one had a mild Ron Paul slant and in the beginning most advocates for the documentary where mostly Ron Paul supporters). But even then, I've noted some muted support among Zeitgeisters on Ron Paul come election time, probably due to his stance on the FED, which I guess they mistakenly see as a sort of "banking reform" (These kinds of zeitgeisters, which recently have grown less and less, seem to be the most misinformed of Ron Paul supporters though) which they see as at least "something."
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This thread is too serious for chit-chat. In politics it goes.
It has allowed the Nickelback loving masses to believe they are politically aware, which isn't saying much. From what I've seen it mostly tried to reinforce the same truther, end the fed, jesus never existed bullshit. Nothing really useful.
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this is worth reading:
http://ssy.org.uk/2010/06/shitegeist/
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My one and only experience with Zeitgeist/Venus Project was when one of those hacks called me naive. Oh christ, the irony.
I also watched some of the movies. It all seems confusing as fuck to me... I always get semi-excited when someone starts to criticize the current state of affairs, but it seems as if it always ends in some bullshit about how the Federal Reserve, the Bilderberg Group, the Jews and a group of bankers in a shadowy board room are behind everything from 9/11 to the Newtown shooting.
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This I can't stand being called 'naive' or 'close minded' by people spouting that nonsense. But to answer the OP, no they haven't accomplished anything. That is what happens with utopians who conjure up these paradises in their heads, they stay there forever due to being irreconcilable with material conditions.
I've watched Zeitgeist: Addendum, the one where they talked about the Resource-Based Economy as advocated by the Venus Project. That part of the film was interesting, but with the rest of the film spouting some very dodgy nonsense about banking and various shadowy international organisations, it was kind of like finding a very nice and well-made cake thrown in a dumpster.
A disappointing waste.
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read as: "Syncretic Politics"
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But people who say that usually are in fact left-wing or right-wing, they're just trying to appeal to people who are frustrated with mainstream politics and want a "third option."
Reminds me of Third-Positionists, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
About three or four years ago I ran into a small anti-war protest outside NYC with about 20 people handing out flyers about zeitgeist and holding up confusing signs. I've never seen another supporter outside of that, and that time period was the height of its popularity it seems like.
I was doing some research on a modern american fascist party and found this. Syncretic Politics is one way to describe fascism. At least, from the fascist's point of view.
when i was in school i toyed with the idea of equating people who call themselves "centrists" or "not left or right," fascists. Obviously they were not fascists, but it would have been funny. Never did it. Mainly because its absolutely childish.
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"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
Syncretic politics, in the traditional Third-Positionist sense, has nothing to do with Zeitgeist. They are introducing Marxian concepts in a way that isn't stuck in 1970 to people who have little to no political understanding. Zeitgeist also isn't about conspiracies or anything like that nor do they support Ron Paul. If you ask me, they used all that brilliantly.
If Zeitgeist came out initially as openly "Leftist" (which I think it is), they would've been called communist and given the amount of views and talk they generated from their films, the right-wing would've gone insane. Now, everyone assumes that they are a cult, which they aren't.
If you actually listen to lectures from Peter Joseph, who is a good speaker and debater, you'll hear him denounce imperialism and such.
The main problem I find with Zeitgeist is that they are openly non-violent. Their site contains Gandhi quotes and that advocate that as a means for a new society which is quite anti-historical. Other than that, they managed to do a lot of things that "Leftist" parties couldn't do and that's bring an anti-capitalist alternative to the mainstream. That's nothing to blame Zeitgeist about, that's an indictment on the Left. So far, the Left has utter failed at producing ANYTHING like Zeitgeist.
