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See, I don't think you understand how sex works. At the very least, you sound like a terrible lay.
The life we have conferred upon these objects confronts us as something hostile and alien.
Formerly Virgin Molotov Cocktail (11/10/2004 - 21/08/2013)
This. Is. Wonderful. I can't even bear to reply to Graffic and "family values"-oriented tyrades, where he cites his extensive experience of humanity, which probably is not a vetted source of record.
I find it amusingly absurd that he thinks we should "just take his word for it" as if personal anecdotes counts as conclusive evidence for anything.
The problem with anecdotes is that one can possibly find a contradicting one, if one looked or asked (I actually may know some guys that like "bad girls despite graffic's claim they don't exist). Basically, "every case is different" and thus it would be faulty to universalize it without some deeper investigation.
"My heart sings for you both. Imagine it singing. la la la la."- Hannah Kay
"if you keep calling average working people idiots i am sure they will be more apt to listen to what you have to say. "-bcbm
"Sometimes false consciousness can be more destructive than apathy, just like how sometimes, doing nothing is actually better than doing the wrong thing."- Robocommie
"The ruling class would tremble, and the revolution would be all but assured." -Explosive Situation, on the Revleft Merry Prankster bus
I'll meet you anecdote for anecdote. I've come across plenty of blokes who are crazy about girls who are crazy.
From the sounds of it the best-selling novel 50 Shades of Grey is a pretty pornographic work. It is my understanding that many readers of that novel are female. So that would suggest that women don't watch less porn than men, they just prefer it in a different format.
I see bare-chested men all the time in advertising. Who do you think advertisers get to wear the male underwear they're selling? Certainly not some flabby specimen, or a skinny rake like me.
Nothing about casual sex requires men to act like arseholes. I've had casual sex without having to be an arsehole to get it.
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No I was referring to the shifts in attraction from physical features to emotional features, men also experience small shifts in behaviour but it happens over the period of a day corresponding to peaks and valleys in hormones and also relative to physical activity.
What's the purpose of OI again? A place for reactionaries to say reactionary things?
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
I think you just haven't met enough heterosexual men...
Luís Henrique
It is true sadly, violent criminals are swamped with letters from female admirers in their jail cells. A violent personality might be attractive for a number of reasons. It can reflect the basic quality of the genome - vitality, immunity, physical strength (very relevant in evolutionary periods where foods and spoils went to the greatest warrior, as opposed to smartest man). Another is that females might have felt that violent men would be superior at protecting her and offspring against rapists and general predators. Also the most obvious reason would just be that a violent man promises to provide a fertile woman with strong sons, with the greatest chance of survival.
"Marxism is the only contagious mental illness I've ever known. With the possible exception of psychoanalysis." - Jack Kerouac
So is Justin Bieber, I'm sure.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
And I wonder which is worse...
Luís Henrique
Yeah but he only opens the ones from boys.
Me so funny.
"Marxism is the only contagious mental illness I've ever known. With the possible exception of psychoanalysis." - Jack Kerouac
I understand that I haven't provided conclusive evidence however that would involve the effort of finding articles on the net and I can't be bothered.
If there is no in-equality in sexualization and consensual sex why is the feminist movement for women to be more promiscuous seen as "liberating" but the male reaction of the corrupting "Lad culture" is obviously chauvinistic and disgusting. That implies that female sexuality is by definition more "prudent" than male sexuality.
Lad magazines and culture exist in a society of blatant exploitative capitalism where young men are constantly bombarded with images where women are represented as sexual objects such as a seductive woman in a TV ad for cars, or showing breast cleavage on a poster campaign to sell underwear. They all commodify women's sexuality to market products.
I think that in a hippy commune the idea of "free love" might work to an extent, or might not work, however in a capitalist society where profit exists I don't see anything mercenary in prudence.
Encouraging casual sex culturally doesn't seem to me to be the best way to combat objectification of women within a capitalist society that exploits promiscuity and casual sex in the sexualization of advertising.
Last edited by graffic; 20th December 2012 at 15:55.
Because the promiscuity in "lad culture" is not the only way that male promiscuity can manifest, even under capitalism. Ever heard of swingers?
I don't see why promiscuity under capitalism necessarily has to be mercenary, either. There are plenty of free dating websites where one can look for "casual fun".
I don't think capitalism actually promotes casual sex. It might use sexual imagery to sell products, but that's superficial shit that doesn't actually involve intimately touching another human being.
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Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
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The feminist movement is very diverse; there are even feminists who think all sex is rape. So it is not the case that all feminists see promiscuity as liberating.
It has historically been so. But it doesn't mean it cannot change, especially since we now have reliable contraceptives and women keep sexual active lives beyond menopause.
That is true. What isn't true is that this implies that the commodification of women is somehow ingrained into human genoma.
But on the other hand capitalist societies will increasingly erode the traditional safeguards of "feminine decency", making "prudence" an increasingly rare phenomenon. Trying to resist this is not going to lead us nowhere.
We don't need to encourage casual sex culture. It is here to stay, and to become more and more predominant, whether we think this is a good or a bad thing.
Trying to disencourage it isn't the best way to combat objectification of women. Or to do anything else that I can see, by the way.
Luís Henrique
I'm reeeally struggling to figure what the OPs point is...I assume he has one, that there's a lesson in this that we all need to learn as mis-guided lefties...but as I say, I'm lost as to what it is exactly.
I was saying that social liberalism that encourages sexual promiscuity within blatantly exploitative capitalism culturally encourages humans to be more primal, and to encourage one to irrationally focus on "appearing" more attractive physically. This is social darwinistic in the sense looks matter more, and it encourages men to behave badly because they know if they get power and wealth they will be rewarded with the attention of attractive women. When all this goes on under a free-market, the market will naturally commodify women's sexuality to market products.
I think that free love and encouraging casual sex culturally within capitalism leads to the commodification of sexuality.
Last edited by graffic; 20th December 2012 at 18:43.
No, it does not. But it does constantly "remind" (manipulate) people to think about sex. Constantly being "reminded" by these capitalist propaganda techniques certainly makes men think about women more as sexual objects in the public sphere. I don't think we are questioning sex in the private as itself, but the psychological/emotional manipulation of persons in Capitalism.
Take the differences for instance: I personally grew up on the land, where there were very little advertisements and Television was a bore. The relation between rural male and female pedestrians is a lot more equal, human, compared with the relation between urban individuals who are constantly made to think of other persons in terms of sexuality.
"It is necessary for Communists to enter into contradiction with the consciousness of the masses. . . The problem with these Transitional programs and transitional demands, which don't enter into any contradiction with the consciousness of the masses, or try to trick the masses into entering into the class struggle, create soviets - [is that] it winds up as common-or-garden reformism or economism." - Mike Macnair, on the necessity of the Minimum and Maximum communist party Program.
"You're lucky. You have a faith. Even if it's only Karl Marx" - Richard Burton
Because "nice guys" are a bunch of moralistic socially inept and passive aggressive conservatives?
Other than that all I see is a bunch of unfounded claims.
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
oh god i can't handle that link hahahaha
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
Fuck, and I thought I was socially inept...
The Human Progress Group
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Check out my speculative fiction project: NOVA MUNDI
