I don't see how hunger striking is "mental"
And there is nothing wrong with solidarity with Palestine, except for the fact that the same solidarity is not extended to the Kurds, the Chechens, the Irish, and all other oppressed peoples of the world
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why is palestine solidarity so popular amongst students?
my friend is really involved in the palestine group at my uni so i hear a lot about it first hand; the moment israel started bombing gaza the society became really active: multiple meetings daily, protests, stunts, graffiti, etc. at the same time, various student related struggles were completely ignored.
i don't want to sound too flippant, because there are palestinian students involved and it isn't all white kids running around with keffiyehs, but i find the fetishism of palestine amongst students quite strange. that isn't to say that israel don't do terrible things, but it seems there is the assumption that israel is unique in doing terrible things, and all other struggles must pale in comparison to liberating palestine.
like, there was that shit a while ago when some american students were going on hunger strike for palestinian prisoners. just mental.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
I don't see how hunger striking is "mental"
And there is nothing wrong with solidarity with Palestine, except for the fact that the same solidarity is not extended to the Kurds, the Chechens, the Irish, and all other oppressed peoples of the world
Wow! A hunger strike? Move over maoists! These Palestine student are so much more hardcore!
you nutters. american students with little to no connection to palestine decided to go on hunger strike, potentially putting their lives at risk to convince a state that was not and would not listen to them, and you think that shits sane? fucking hell.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Being too radical is always better than being too moderate
way to miss the point fella.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
No, I heard the point, she's "insane" for going on a hunger strike. So let me ask you something, what are you doing that is so much better than what she's doing?
hahaa, firstly not just "she", it was a whole group of male and females.
secondly i think doing nothing with regards to palestine is better than what they are doing. i can only involve myself in struggles that directly effect me, not impose myself on the struggles of others. hence the original post, hence you missing to point.
thirdly, FUCK the fetishism of "doing something"... http://libcom.org/blog/do-something-...ivism-28052012
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Trying to convince people that going on hunger strike over the situation in Palestine is insane, is approximately 250,000 times better than going on hunger strike over the situation in Palestine.
Anyway, to answer the OP... is it 'because deep down, almost everybody hates the Jews'?
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
Of course! That explains everything.
Actually, I will fuck the fetishism of doing something, I will fuck it long and hard all day long
you'll get burned out soon mate.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
This critisism would be valid if there was some other major solidarity action taking place, and to a certain extent there are a few other solidarity actions taking place, but in the space of the far-left it's quite inadequate.
And this whole attitude amougst the left that we have to ridicule anything that isn't perfect is plain old elitist. This nonsense is just as stupid as the people who oppose the Independence movements of the world just because they weren't "Marxist" enough, even though they were popular movements that benefited real people, unlike your holier than thou theorizing that has benefited no one.
We had some good discussion on this in a previous thread, I think one on the PFLP. I believe it was Leo who pointed out that there are other struggles of equally oppressed groups that go virtually ignored in the west, such as the Kurds in Turkey. I think it's kinda weird that this is the case and there's gotta be some reason for it. Maybe it's just aesthetic? The appeal of the romantic imagery, the rhetoric, etc. Or maybe it's just trendy? Perhaps it's the amateur activist types who feel like they're doing something good by getting behind a popular movement? Maybe it's the appeal of getting behind a popular movement. There's any number of reasons.
Yea, like I said before it's an awful shame that the left can't try to do something new. It's not like we should abandon the Palestinian struggle, its just that the world has other problems that we need to focus on as well
Here in the states, you'd be hard pressed to go to ANY rally over ANY pressing social issue that the left parasitically attaches itself to and not see at least on keffiyeh.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
i can't tell if you're expecting this to be my punchline or something, if that makes sense.
but no, i'm not pushing some antideutsch shit here; i know my friend and the people he is involved with aren't anti-semitic. if i thought it was that simple i wouldn't have made this thread.
that said, i went on a solidarity march and encountered people whispering about a "jewish photographer" who was going to publish our photos and expose us -- he turned out to be a palestinian who gave quite a moving speech, but the conspiratorial paranoia was pretty mad. same protest a drunk polish man joined the march and fucking seig heil'd... wasn't kicked out or told to fuck off, despite being surrounded by big blokes. i'm just going to assume nobody saw.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Yea, there is a problem of creativity on the left. Personally I think we ought to start our own campaigns instead of leaching off of others, that are actually relevant to real working people and that transcend sectarianism. A lot of people I know are suffering under the tyranny of landlords, and have been evicted by this criminal practice, why hasn't the left started a campaign to give these folk a good old fashion ass whooping?Here in the states, you'd be hard pressed to go to ANY rally over ANY pressing social issue that the left parasitically attaches itself to and not see at least on keffiyeh.
And probably that much harder.
