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    This is probably (yet another) ignorant question, but could anyone give me some background on this? Both on the work, and on Solanas? I'm currently reading through it, and I know that as a male I'm... not really the audience, and probably biased. I really can't see much validity to the majority of her points, though.

    Am I just reading poorly, or ill-informed, or is this the generally held view?
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    There's a good wikipedia article about Valerie Solanas.

    Background on Solanas? Well, she had a tough life and was mentally ill. No doubt those factors colored her ideological output vis-a-vis "SCUM".
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    The SCUM Manifesto can be read as misandrist, proto-radical feminist nonsense. "Males are bad because of their chromosomes," etc. Or it can be read as satire.
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    I'd read it as a sort of satire. I can't believe nobody;s mentioned the film I Shot Andy Warhol.

    My main criticism of Solanas was not having slightly better aim.

    Stewart Home, in his Assault On Culture, describes it as ultra-feminist in the same way that some of the Black Mask quasi-Situ stuff can be read as ultra-Left.
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    So it is satire? Reading through that wikipedia article you linked, it doesn't seem like Solanas intended it to be read that way (unless I'm missing the point, of course, I suppose 'dead serious' could still be satire).
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    So it is satire? Reading through that wikipedia article you linked, it doesn't seem like Solanas intended it to be read that way (unless I'm missing the point, of course, I suppose 'dead serious' could still be satire).
    Only Solanas really knows what she intended, so I don't think the matter will be settled now.
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    If the 'manifesto' was written as satire, it was written in very bad taste. I'm surprised that some here have heads too thick to realize even this. Hell, I'm surprised that people on a leftist website are taking that hate seriously. Just because the hatred is coming from the oppressed doesn't give it any validity. Just because she's a she and she wasn't a big fan of patriarchy doesn't mean she should get special treatment.

    Only Solanas really knows what she intended, so I don't think the matter will be settled now.
    Mind you she was very clear that the work was intended to be taken literally.

    The fatal flaw in feminism is that the men are blamed, rather than the conditions that both genders are put into from birth. This general idea is what's wrong with all identity politics, in fact.

    It's the shallow and childish assumption that the oppressing group is oppressive by some inherent personal quality (maleness, whiteness, heterosexuality, whatever) rather than the conditions that both groups are subjected to.

    There's a reason us commies harp on about those oh so important material conditions, while liberals sit around the campfire and foolishly blame the big bad white straight male anglo-saxon hate machine. When men are born into positions of control and are encouraged to be controlling and unemotional from birth (to better fulfill their gender role in perpetuating said conditions) and women likewise are taught to be selfless and petty so as to not challenge such conditions, the feminist goes on to exclaim that the evil of men is inherent to maleness, but there is nothing in women that causes them to be weak! Bullshit. There is nothing inherent to either gender that brings such qualities.

    How fucking convenient it is that the feminist acknowledges that any "weakness" of the female gender is due to upbringing, but ignores all this for the man and claims him to be horrid and brutish from birth!

    edit: I might open up a thread about feminism / identity politics in general.. Or I'll wait for someone else to do it.
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    The fatal flaw in feminism is that the men are blamed, rather than the conditions that both genders are put into from birth. This general idea is what's wrong with all identity politics, in fact.
    Wrong. Feminists don't blame men for the oppression of women, rather the patriarchal values our society promotes which lead to gender roles and the different sets of expectations we're supposed to live up to based on our gender. Certainly men can be sexist on an individual level and it is their responsibility to challenge the sexist values that they may hold, and many women also hold sexist values, but sexism is more structural.

    It's the shallow and childish assumption that the oppressing group is oppressive by some inherent personal quality (maleness, whiteness, heterosexuality, whatever) rather than the conditions that both groups are subjected to.
    Simply being a male doesn't make you some kind of enemy of women, and doesn't automatically make you an oppressor. However, as a male you're playing the game of life on the "easy" setting relative to a woman of similar social standing.

    There's a reason us commies harp on about those oh so important material conditions, while liberals sit around the campfire and foolishly blame the big bad white straight male anglo-saxon hate machine. When men are born into positions of control and are encouraged to be controlling and unemotional from birth (to better fulfill their gender role in perpetuating said conditions) and women likewise are taught to be selfless and petty so as to not challenge such conditions, the feminist goes on to exclaim that the evil of men is inherent to maleness, but there is nothing in women that causes them to be weak! Bullshit. There is nothing inherent to either gender that brings such qualities.
    I think this is a bit of a straw man. Did anyone actually "sit around the campfire foolishly blaming the big bad white straight male anglo-saxon hate machine" (whatever that means exactly)? I doubt you'll find anyone on this website doing so, and if they do they'll be ripped to shreds. Why would feminists talk about gender as a social construct and aim to abolish patriarchy (i.e. gender roles) if they blamed sexism on men? If sexism was in inherent quality of men, there would be no point in feminism because we wouldn't be able to deconstruct gender roles and stop men from being sexist.

    How fucking convenient it is that the feminist acknowledges that any "weakness" of the female gender is due to upbringing, but ignores all this for the man and claims him to be horrid and brutish from birth!
    Feminists don't do this though.

    edit: I might open up a thread about feminism / identity politics in general.. Or I'll wait for someone else to do it.
    Try this thread.
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    It's silly sexist nonsense written by a lunatic. It's really not worth the air wasted talking about it.
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    Wrong. Feminists don't blame men for the oppression of women, rather the patriarchal values our society promotes which lead to gender roles and the different sets of expectations we're supposed to live up to based on our gender. Certainly men can be sexist on an individual level and it is their responsibility to challenge the sexist values that they may hold, and many women also hold sexist values, but sexism is more structural.

    Simply being a male doesn't make you some kind of enemy of women, and doesn't automatically make you an oppressor. However, as a male you're playing the game of life on the "easy" setting relative to a woman of similar social standing.

    I think this is a bit of a straw man. Did anyone actually "sit around the campfire foolishly blaming the big bad white straight male anglo-saxon hate machine" (whatever that means exactly)? I doubt you'll find anyone on this website doing so, and if they do they'll be ripped to shreds. Why would feminists talk about gender as a social construct and aim to abolish patriarchy (i.e. gender roles) if they blamed sexism on men? If sexism was in inherent quality of men, there would be no point in feminism because we wouldn't be able to deconstruct gender roles and stop men from being sexist.

    Feminists don't do this though.

    Try this thread.
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    Don't take any of that personally, I was tired and pissed off (here I go making excuses again) when I wrote that. It was mainly directed against those feminists with all their edgy fringe and hate-mongering, not all or even most feminists.
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    Jesus! What an insane person. I've saw someone talking about this a while back, but I've haven't read about this until now.
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    I'm surprised that some here have heads too thick to realize even this.
    Was this comment really necessary?
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    *sigh*

    Don't take any of that personally, I was tired and pissed off (here I go making excuses again) when I wrote that. It was mainly directed against those feminists with all their edgy fringe and hate-mongering, not all or even most feminists.
    idk what you mean by those feminists
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    idk what you mean by those feminists
    I think s/he means ultra feminist weirdos like Solanas.
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    In case anyone is interested in reading it:
    http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm
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    If Solanas is an ultra-feminist, Pol Pot is an ultra-lefist. Her "feminism" boils down to men are bad so shoot them.
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    If Solanas is an ultra-feminist, Pol Pot is an ultra-lefist. Her "feminism" boils down to men are bad so shoot them.
    Point taken. But I didn't know what else to call her.
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    Mentally ill?
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    Has anyone heard of Cell 16? I saw it while look this up. It's a feminist (magazine/zine?) and it's fairly similar to this. It's about being a celibate and separation from men. It's pretty sad these types of "feminists" exist, they've made people believe man-hating is what feminism is about.
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