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Julian Assange says victorious Barack Obama 'wolf in sheep's clothing'
Isn't he more like a wolf in wolf's clothing, based on the past four years and all?
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Well most of those who are self-described Leftists support him, so they still need to learn the truth. Anyway, it's a welcome condemnation.
"In a word, we reject all legislation, all authority, and all privileged, licensed, official, and legal influence, even though arising from universal suffrage, convinced that it can turn only to the advantage of a dominant minority of exploiters against the interest of the immense majority in subjection to them. This is the sense in which we are really Anarchists." - Bakunin
"If your object is to secure liberty, you must learn to do without authority and compulsion." - Alexander Berkman
Why does he even bother to chastise the Republicans for failing to stop "Government excess"? Oh that's right, he's a shitty libertarian, glad this guy is such a figurehead to so many of you.
Maybe Assange is the wolf in sheep's clothing.
Err Assange is right about Obama being a a sheep in wolf clothing no matter how much you hate Assange you have to agree with him that obama is not a good man.
Gutanamo bay is still open, the war in afgahnistan is surging,Obama signed the natioanl defense authiratzion act of 2012 which allows "indefinite detention" by the goverment
Stop blowing my mind, Julian! It's like when you told me the U.S committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, took me totally by surprise!
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
Do they? What do you base this off of? I don't think they do.
Well 'liberals' self-describe as Leftists. for example. And there are many more of them in the USA than there are Marxists.
"In a word, we reject all legislation, all authority, and all privileged, licensed, official, and legal influence, even though arising from universal suffrage, convinced that it can turn only to the advantage of a dominant minority of exploiters against the interest of the immense majority in subjection to them. This is the sense in which we are really Anarchists." - Bakunin
"If your object is to secure liberty, you must learn to do without authority and compulsion." - Alexander Berkman
No, Assange is not right at all. Obama is definitely not a sheep or a wolf in sheep's clothing and I didn't know any perceives him as such. He's a wolf. An undressed one because wolves don't wear clothes.
Anyway this talk of sheep and wolves is stupid.
I don't think that sheep are even the wolf's natural prey!
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
a car in deer clothing
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
You don't seriously think Assange is speaking to the tiny, irrelevant percentage of people like us who are revolutionary leftists and already know this? Yes, for us this quote is a given, we already know it and it's nothing new.
But for millions of people they may not understand or know this. He's talking to the legions of liberals who think Obama is some kind of glorious freedom bringer. Who may not realise the full extent of the government's excesses.
Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice. -George Jackson
There is no such thing as an innocent bystander. -Abbie Hoffman
That statement by Assange apparently places him to the left of some of the moderators on this forum.
didn't he say literally the same exact thing a few months ago?
I agree with the sentiment though. Most people don't view him as a bad guy, and the ones that do are just as bad. This needs to change.
If you're going to criticize Assange for anything, this is really not it.
Also, I just realized how insane the term "war crimes" is.
Obama is more like a honey badger, taking what it wants and generally smelling like a pile of garbage.
Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand. ~ Karl Marx
formerly Triceramarx
Thank you for summarizing the context of the quote and situation precisely, even with your grammar typing errors in the second paragraph.
Obama is a war criminal and I do not waste time explaining this to his supporters no matter what they call themselves - liberals, independents, republicans, greens, socialists. This must be forcefully asserted, anything else is a dismissing the central make up of who he and his party are.
First I list the major war crimes he has committed - drone murder of thousands of innocents, and the tripling of the occupation of Afghanistan which killed tens, hundreds of thousands for lies and corporate/capitalist profit, opposing habeus corpus in Afghanistan, military tribunals, covered up Bush's war crimes etcetera, etcetera.
Edit, then I clearly state those voting for him are endorsing his crimes and the enduring , unchanging crimes of the Democrat Party.
Last edited by LiberationTheologist; 24th November 2012 at 01:18.
Is that really what they think? It's probably because I'm in Canada, but most liberals I speak to are mired in "lesser evilism". If you really press them on it they won't leap to the defense of drone strikes or Gitmo, but what they will say (in my experience) is "Well, I'm not saying he's a saint, but at least he's more socially liberal because he supports gay marriage and women's rights".
I'm not so sure that the problem is ignorance of "excesses", but the inability or unwillingness to think outside the box in terms of alternatives. Easier to pretend Obama's some champion of progressivism than to reject the whole system for what it is.
Oh and as for Assange: He's the last thing the left should be worried about, save that we should keep a close eye on his situation because we all know what will happen to him if he ever ends up in the U.S., and the kind of message that would send to whistleblowers or other members of Wikileaks. Seriously, you don't have to be some fanatical right-wing 'libertarian' to appreciate the fact that someone stood up against government secrecy and that the kind of fate he'd face if he ever ended up in the United States would send a message to others who support the cause of Wikileaks.
Instead of obsessing over Assange, it's more productive to consider how to break through the image of Obama as a hero among forward-thinking Americans or liberals in general, and Assange calling this out as bs when he sees it is more helpful than it could possibly be harmful.
Last edited by The Intransigent Faction; 15th November 2012 at 08:37.
"I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will." - Antonio Gramsci
"If he did advocate revolutionary change, such advocacy could not, of course, receive constitutional protection, since it would be by definition anti-constitutional."
- J.A. MacGuigan in Roach v. Canada, 1994
I agree. It just annoys me that people act like this quote is directed at them. Why the hell would Assange say anything about revolutionary leftists? How could people be so arrogant as to think ANYTHING Assange says is directed specifically at revolutionary leftists?
This isn't meant for us. It's meant for naive or ignorant liberals who as you have said, Brad, think Obama is progressive and can't or won't think outside of the box when it comes to politics.
Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice. -George Jackson
There is no such thing as an innocent bystander. -Abbie Hoffman
