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    Our socialist group is thinking about organizing an event to celebrate the anniversary of The Russian revolution. Any ideas on what we should do?
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    Throw a party.

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    kill all non-bolsheviks despite the fact that many of them set up functioning communism while russia was busy with fascism?
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    You mean kill all the Bolsheviks, right? What non-Bolsheviks that were setting up "functioning communism" were killed by the Bolsheviks? SRs and Mensheviks and non-factional Social-Democrats took part in the Soviet government and rose to high leadership in the Bolshevik party 1917 and onwards. The Cheka was made up of many SRs and was lead by Dzerzhinsky who didn't join the Bolsheviks until 1917. The Red Army during the Civil War was lead by the non-factional Trotsky who didn't join the Bolsheviks until 1917 also. Etc, etc. Who are these non-Bolsheviks that were setting up "functioning communism"? Do you mean Makhno and his military dictatorship in the Ukraine? Makhno's personal fiefdom=functioning communism? That's a very odd opinion.

    And anyway I did not realize that Makhno was killed by the Bolsheviks. I thought he escaped to Romania and eventually settled in Paris where he died of tuberculosis in 1934 or 1936.
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    Do you mean Makhno and his military dictatorship in the Ukraine?
    I've read some of your recent comments and they are becoming increasingly more ridiculous.

    1) Makhno headed a military dictatorship
    2) The USSR didn't have a centrally planned economy, Western countries did
    3) The proletariat is only 35% of the world population
    4) Fascist leaders know what they did was wrong, they did not act they way they did because they thought it was in the interest of their nation, on the contrary they were class conscious.
    5) The ruling class exercises absolute and unconditional control over the state

    You lack any nuance, reinvent the meaning of words, and pretend

    And anyway I did not realize that Makhno was killed by the Bolsheviks.
    Makhno did not wage war by himself.

    All governments are authoritarian. Granted, the ones listed were highly authoritarian but it isn't an aspect that's unique to "fascism"
    No they aren't. No Western government, except the Belorussian, is authoritarian.

    True for Stalin. Any other Soviet leader, including Lenin, could hardly be described as a dictator.
    How was Breznhev not a dictator? None of the political leaders of the Soviet Union were elected, and by extension dictators.
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    No they aren't. No Western government, except the Belorussian, is authoritarian.
    This is simply untrue. One merely needs to look at America's current 'national defence policies' and repeated arrests of political dissenters over the years to know that such is not the case.
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    I've read some of your recent comments and they are becoming increasingly more ridiculous.

    1) Makhno headed a military dictatorship
    2) The USSR didn't have a centrally planned economy, Western countries did
    3) The proletariat is only 35% of the world population
    4) Fascist leaders know what they did was wrong, they did not act they way they did because they thought it was in the interest of their nation, on the contrary they were class conscious.
    5) The ruling class exercises absolute and unconditional control over the state

    You lack any nuance, reinvent the meaning of words, and pretend



    Makhno did not wage war by himself.



    No they aren't. No Western government, except the Belorussian, is authoritarian.



    How was Breznhev not a dictator? None of the political leaders of the Soviet Union were elected, and by extension dictators.
    It's pretty cool to see the other side of the propaganda machine, huh? You have idiot tea bagging Americans on one hand, and people who fall for USSR propaganda on the other. I'm not sure which is more pathetic, but it would probably be the Lenin fanboys. We can see from the outside the effects authoritarian marxism has had on the planet. Tea bagging americans only have fox news.
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    It's pretty cool to see the other side of the propaganda machine, huh? You have idiot tea bagging Americans on one hand, and people who fall for USSR propaganda on the other. I'm not sure which is more pathetic, but it would probably be the Lenin fanboys. We can see from the outside the effects authoritarian marxism has had on the planet. Tea bagging americans only have fox news.
    Well to be fair your comment wasn't exactly nuanced either. The Russian revolution was far more complex than you make it out to be, and the Bolsheviks certainly weren't fascist.
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    I don't by any means think or claim that it was simple, but what happened happened. The bolsheviks also were not fascist, and I didn't claim they were, but what they ended up creating was closer to fascism than socialism even though they wanted to eventually create communism.
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    Originally Posted by LordAcheron
    kill all non-bolsheviks despite the fact that many of them set up functioning communism while russia was busy with fascism?
    The bolsheviks also were not fascist, and I didn't claim they were
    Either troll or extremely stupid. Also, exactly how did they set up functioning communism? Communism cannot exist in one country, etc. but must exist internationally. If anything, that is exactly what the Russian Revolution taught us, unless of course you agree with the Stalinist line of "Socialism in One Country" and as an Anarcho-Communist I doubt you do (unless, of course, you're 14, just got into radical politics, and think you know everything).
    "The exploited are not carriers of any positive project, be it even the classless society (which all too closely resembles the productive set up). Capital is their only community. They can only escape by destroying everything that makes them exploited...Capitalism has not created the conditions of its overcoming in communism-the famous bourgeoisie forging the arms of its own extinction-but of a world of horrors." -At Daggers Drawn

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    I've read some of your recent comments and they are becoming increasingly more ridiculous.

    1) Makhno headed a military dictatorship
    Makhno was not the undisputed leader and commander of the Makhnovist army?

    2) The USSR didn't have a centrally planned economy, Western countries did
    I didn't say that.

    3) The proletariat is only 35% of the world population
    Maybe less.

    4) Fascist leaders know what they did was wrong, they did not act they way they did because they thought it was in the interest of their nation, on the contrary they were class conscious.
    If you wanna play an apologist for fascists be my guest, I just would assume you'd hide your fascist sympathies on RevLeft.

    5) The ruling class exercises absolute and unconditional control over the state
    The State is an organ of class rule.

    You lack any nuance, reinvent the meaning of words, and pretend
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    Makhno did not wage war by himself.
    I didn't say he did.

    No they aren't. No Western government, except the Belorussian, is authoritarian.
    Belarus is not a Western country.

    How was Breznhev not a dictator? None of the political leaders of the Soviet Union were elected, and by extension dictators.
    Because Brezhnev was only one member of a collective that ruled the Soviet Union. Do you even know what a dictator is? The Soviet Union was definetely a "dictatorship"(in the sense that bourgeois intellectuals and ideologists use the word), but there was no "dictator" in the sense that Hitler, Salazar, Franco, Mao, Hoxha, Somoza, Noriega, Ceaușescu, Chiang Kai-Shek, etc, etc, were "dictators" in the Soviet Union after 1953.
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    hi, to those of us living in the former USSR - please, how will you guys celebrate the Nov.7th, i.e. the anniversary of the 1917 revolution? Can we all join in doing that? Can we do something together internationally?
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    "The exploited are not carriers of any positive project, be it even the classless society (which all too closely resembles the productive set up). Capital is their only community. They can only escape by destroying everything that makes them exploited...Capitalism has not created the conditions of its overcoming in communism-the famous bourgeoisie forging the arms of its own extinction-but of a world of horrors." -At Daggers Drawn

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    Either troll or extremely stupid. Also, exactly how did they set up functioning communism? Communism cannot exist in one country, etc. but must exist internationally. If anything, that is exactly what the Russian Revolution taught us, unless of course you agree with the Stalinist line of "Socialism in One Country" and as an Anarcho-Communist I doubt you do (unless, of course, you're 14, just got into radical politics, and think you know everything).
    they had federated communes and abolished private property and money, as well as class and the state. That is the definition of communism. Just because it was destroyed by the reds before it could expand to the rest of the globe doesn't change what it was.

    The lesson of the USSR was that centralized tactics are bullshit, which many people saw way before it even happened. The entire idea is as ridiculous as anarcho-capitalism.
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    Makhno was not the undisputed leader and commander of the Makhnovist army?
    it was named after him, but it was decentralized and tons of people did things in the name of the black army that he had absolutely no control over. Calling it a military dictatorship just shows your complete ignorance on the subject and the history surrounding it.
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    they had federated communes and abolished private property and money, as well as class and the state.
    Firstly, you do not know anything about the nature of the Russian Revolution.

    Secondly, you do not know anything about class systems, class relations, the state or communism.
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    Firstly, you do not know anything about the nature of the Russian Revolution.

    Secondly, you do not know anything about class systems, class relations, the state or communism.
    I was referring to the free territory, not the USSR.

    thanks for the broad accusations based on the vast amount of time we've spent discussing such topics, though.
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    And so, it is the 7th November again, and again we're not organized...

    ... and again at the (7th November) demonstrations (in the former USSR) we can hear the empty rhetoric of the "communist party" leaders about "returning the country back to the people". These speeches are made with a tone no one believes, even the person making it. Phony. And again, the "leaders" of the "communist party" are bringing flowers to the monument of Lenin, thereby putting the real Bolshevik leader still deeper into the grave.
    How much longer will that be?..
    ... and again, the leaders of the Nazi party, which is called "Freedom" in our country (formerly: "Socialist-Nationalist Party"), speak from the pages of major magazines, threatening and promising to deliver... Meanwhile, their ardent supporters try to convince us that all major mass media was, and is, closed to the message of the party. From the brow looks at us Oleh Tyahnibok and promises to struggle against the "Russian-Jewish mafia".
    Let's organize better for the next revolutionary holiday! Let's do something creative, together, internationally!
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