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Pundits chiming in that Romney "won" the debate....
Media pundits are already chiming in that Romney won the debate today.
First off, what do they mean by Romney "won"? Are these debates measured by which one presented their pov better? If so how can Romney spin what he has in store for American in any positive light? How on Earth did he manage to even sell the image that his vision of America would be a better one at all?
How could have Obama "lost" going against that? Was he too incompetent to counter any of the easily debunked right wing logic Romney spews?
I have yet to see the debates as I was working, but will catch what I recorded later.
Even liberal pundit Rachel Maddow said "there was no clear winner". How in the hell could there be no clear winner with Romney saying that he hates government assistance, hates people on government assistance and will gut every social program known to man. I mean he is on record as saying that he is for the rich yet the US still believes that this man won a debate and can jump start the American economy!
Have we arrived at an Orwellian future or what?!
I watched it, and I must say Obama came out waaaaaaaay too passive, and missed too many opportunities to call Romney out. Romney basically lied the whole time by switching his views, but Obama didn't ever call him out on any of them. Even though I hate both of them, it will be truly scary if Romney wins this thing - there goes all the medicare, more tax cuts for trillionaires, cutting pell grants, almost certain war vs Iran, etc.....
Who cares?
Well, my retired 62-year old mother who relies on social security for her income and a tax write off for interest on her mortgage, cares. And to some degree, I do also, since I am a broke college student who relies on pell grants to help me out financially. If Romney wins, all three of these things, among others, will be jeopardized. So yea......you better fucking care.
Obama didn't go for the throat.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Capitalism won the debate against capitalism.
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obama plays better hardball with bibi nethanyahu than mitt "posh twat" romney, he seriously messed up, but meh, romney came of a asshole so i think they both lost as much as they gained..
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Here at least We shall be free
Well Obama bailed out the big banks, so he's not any better than Bush nor Romney.
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If the names of Romney's top contributors are anything to go by, he won the debate before it started. It's mostly a ceremonial event.
FKA Red Godfather
I am watching the first segment and ten mins in I am already wanting to throw my laptop to the wall! Obama isn't doing shit and is letting Romney drone on and on about shit he never even mentioned on the campaign trail. When the hell did Romney come up with these positions? All of a sudden he's not for a "tax break that adds to the deficit"? How the hell does he propose that?
The guy knows his rhetoric but Obama stood there like a lamb and didn't side swipe him with even typical liberal rhetoric.
So at this point you're placing the fates of things like social security and Pell grants on individuals who, in the grand scheme of things, can't significantly affect them? That's some anti-Marxist, Great Man Theory shit you've got there.
So no, I don't feel that I "better fucking care" who "wins" these debates.
Yeah, Obama performed very poorly I think.
Romney really smelled blood and exploited the opportunities that were created for him.
I don't think we should care who wins the debates or elections, obviously that's liberalism.
But I also think that objective commentary on bourgeois politics is pretty harmless.
Great Man Theory? Man, FUCK YOU. Don't ever put words in my mouth.
And anti Marxist? Hardly. I hate both GOP and Dems equally.
But I also know that if Romney wins and social security and pell grants are eliminated, my mom will lose EVERYTHING she has - including her home, and I won't be able to go to school anymore. Like it or not, these services are critical to our survival, well being, and basic needs in this hostile capitalist system. At least with Obama these things will remain intact, even if he is a capitalist douche bag like the rest of them.
It is YOU who is a reactionary, selfish asshole, not I.
It's not really a Great Man theory since the president does have quite a large amount of power, not to mention the US doesn't have a politically neutral public service a la Westminster bourgeois democracies, which means that almost the entire public service is replaced with government stooges after every election.
FKA Red Godfather
LOL, look:
"Bain Capital $268,470" That's his own company!
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Hey man, try to relax a little. The GOP is going to have to dominate Congress before they can ram through their more ambitious desires. Namely, the whole gutting of pell grants thing proposed by Ryan ain't gonna pass. I go to school on grants too and it mildly concerns me but if bourgeois politicians could do everything they wanted to do then it wouldn't be a very efficient system.
Huh?
I said "anti-Marxist" because you are acting as if things like social security, pell grants, and mortgage rates (all of which have taken hits during the last four years, by the way) could significantly be affected by anything other than the capitalist economic machine. Obama can't just step in and command that nothing will go wrong. Ultimately it's beyond the control of bourgeois politicians.
thanks ;)
and thx 4 the creative "Fuck you" negrep, btw. I'm trying to carry on a serious discussion here. Maybe I sound hostile since that's common on this site, but I'm really not.
Not really. I'm assuming you know the process by which laws are passed in the USA, so I won't go in to too much detail, but the president really doesn't have a great deal of control over anything besides military affairs. Other than that, the president can set a sort of "tone" for Congress to go by, but we've seen that that doesn't work for shit.Originally Posted by Red Godfather
I lo'd when Romney called out Obama on gutting $700 billion out of Medicare. To be honest, I don't actually know if that figure is correct, but seeing Romney criticize Obama from a left-wing POV, and Obama never rebutting him, was hilarious to me. Romney curb-stomped Obama so hard, it was funny.
Obviously, though, the debate was nothing more than two bourgeois dickheads bickering on how best to fuck over workers, so in the end, we all lost regardless of who won.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS
You really shouldn't have started in on him with stuff about "anti-Marxist" and "Great Man" theory of history stuff, especially because he's clearly just worried about getting by. If you think he's wrong then fine, tell him so, but he didn't say anything really offensive, so why put his feet to the fire over it?
