Well, technically speaking rape is sex that is forced upon one person by the other, so I wouldn't really consider this rape, just sex that you regret afterwards. That's not to say any woman doing this should be defended however.
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Birth Control Rape
Since everyone here is all anti-rape culture, and we all seem to agree that a male penetrating a female without a condom after telling her he had a condom was rape....
Would it not be rape if a woman told a man she was on the pill, but in fact wasn't and they engaged in intercourse? Wouldn't saying anything other than "Yes, it's rape" be extremely sexist against men?
Well, technically speaking rape is sex that is forced upon one person by the other, so I wouldn't really consider this rape, just sex that you regret afterwards. That's not to say any woman doing this should be defended however.
Many in the thread about the Wikileaks man (Julian Assange? Something like that?) Said men lying about birth control and then penetrating women was rape, so this should be the same. Also, what if a man would've been unwilling if he had known no birth control methods were being used? Would this not classify as rape then?
I think you're right, it would classify as rape.
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It's certainly criminal but whether or not it is rape is hard to say.
If there is not informed consent, it is rape.
What OP is talking about is rape.
Very well, but I still feel like it's a very loose definition of rape. It's still despicable nonetheless.
Entrapping somebody into the responsibility of child rearing is despicable, but I dunno if the suggested scenario constitues "rape", per se. But either way, it is wrong in my opinion.
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Going the same definition, it is rape but you would have a hell of a hard time proving it. Women can and do get pregnant while on birth control pills. So she could just say she was taking it but conceived anyway.
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no it's sex without consent. 'force' isn't necessarily part of it
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sex you regret afterwards because you've agreed to it under false premises and probably wouldn't have it unless you had been lied to
jesus people rape is non-consensual sex, not "forced" sex. lying about your pill is rape ok
Do you think I condone this at all? Discussing the semantics of rape is different than supporting something morally reprehensible. I didn't say it was less worse than rape.
Yeah, that is rape. It lacks informed consent.
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I think this is a pretty abstract question about definitions of something that doen't really play much of a role socially: that is deception-fatherhood, not rape as in cooerced or pressured sex. ^I agree with the above. It would certaintly be wrong and I guess criminal - assuming the woman did this to decieve the man and then demand that he support the child. The difference though beteen a man deciving a woman and a woman decieving a man in this example though is that a woman would have to have or abort the baby either way whereas there isn't necissarily any real responcibility placed on the man.
I'm pretty sure legally, if any unmarried man objected to raising a child under these circumstances, as long as he filed a case before the birth, that legally the courts would side with him. The opposite gender situation would be true too but I doubt it would come to that unless the woman believed that the man had agreed to raise the child - which would then beg the question of why the deception by the man in the first place.
So in general I don't think this is a big issue and I dounbt it really happens enough to care about - at least not as clearly as in the OP example. It may be the case where women do this with more permanent partners who don't want kids, hoping that once the pregancy is fact, that the man will change his mind about wanting to have a kid. So really it's more "deception" than rape in my view since no sex or pregancy were "forced" - more like the responcibility might be said to be unwantedly forced on someone. But then in that case, would it be rape for a woman to adopt without the man's knowledge?
Its funny how every time anyone is talking about rape, it always comes back to 'how does this hurt men'? Talking about forced parantage in a discussion about rape isn't just disingenuous, its a disgusting and obvious attempt to divert attention from things that happen way more often.
Wait, what? Are you honestly arguing that we should just IGNORE sexual crimes committed against men? No one is trying to put rape of women, which is obviously more abundant than rape of men, on the back burner. It's not like there is a trade off- we can examine how women rape men and how men rape women without either one of them losing their importance. I find it disgusting quite honestly that you would say that since this form of rape isn't an often occurrence we should just ignore it. Plus- I bet it's more often an occurrence than you think it is.
No. I think he's just pointing out that it's pretty interesting that whenever anyone talks about a thing that affects women particularly, someone has to jump up and say BUT WHAT ABOUT MEN?
I mean what we're talking about isn't a social problem. This isn't some widespread epidemic. Of course we can all sit here and say "welp, this hypothetical situation would be awful if it happened to someone", but...
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That's hardly what's been done. Also- it doesn't 'particularly' affect women. Sure women are the most at risk for rape, but saying it 'particularly' affects woman is to degrade the importance of sexual crimes committed against men. I find it interesting how no one ever really pays any attention to rape committed against men, and whenever someone brings it up they are disgusting and trying to divert attention away from the 'real' victims of rape.
