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The only thing I'm not looking forward to when that fucking hag dies are the eulogies and histrionics that are bound to come from the arse-licking mouths of tory-boy scum.
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Oh, everyone will be fawning. The BBC, elder Labour statesmen (I bet Blair turns up to deliver a 'sincere' eulogy about how Thatcher's attempts to 'modernise' British industry were 'necessary'), and lots of economists and pundits. And celebrities... Geri Halliwell and Phil Collins, for instance. It's going to be fucking hideous. That's why I think the best place to be will be Trafalger Square, where at least we won't have to put up with the shit for a little while.
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
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if she gets a state funeral that'll just be fucking horrendous.
mind you, now that the economy is in the shit, there'll surely be no way they can eulogise her so greatly...it has become pretty clear the link between what she (and Callaghan before her) started and what has come to pass now.
Are you actually shitting me?
but yeah, i'm not defending her. I just think pissing on graves is particularly low. It's not political in any way, so it's just abusive and that's not cool.
I'm all for pissing or dancing on those graves. Or piss-dancing on them.
I got shamed by other tourists at the Nixon Library for asking one of the tour guides where I could find the archives of Nixon's anti-Semitic rants. Humans are humans and I wouldn't wish Nixon or Clinton some horrible disease or personal suffering of that kind (no, I only wish on them ruined and ineffective careers due to mass working-class opposition - you know short of being overthrown and removed from any ability to influence anyone). But graves of public figures and the popular myths about them are not human so piss on them all you want.
No, not political. But abusive? Abusive to carved stone?
Being a mod means pointing out the rules even in situations where you think it's ridiculous.Are you actually shitting me?
but yeah, i'm not defending her. I just think pissing on graves is particularly low. It's not political in any way, so it's just abusive and that's not cool.
Yes, it's a verbal. Do it again and I'll infract you. Not because I want to but because those are the rules, and we can't make exceptions for one person being allowed to use words that would get others in trouble.
And if you still think I'm shitting you, you can take it up with the dear leader himself:
Agreed, the level of praise from all kinds of 'political and cultural figureheads' will be excruciating to witness. I'll have to arrange one round our way, as I wouldn't be able to make it to Trafalgar (shouldn't be hard round here, scousers generally dislike Thatcher).
I'm feeling nauseous already. When it happens I think I might actually throw up at some point. I will definitely be doing my best to avoid mainstream media on that occasion. I might even stay away from the BBC website as I could end up actually breaking something.
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Watching Channel 5's The Wright Stuff this morning when they were discussing the Thatcher's Gone Party Pack and a large amount of sanctimonious bullshit was already on display from a host and a panel that considers itself "left of centre", denouncing the pack, demanding the TUC denounce it; panellist, Sally Bercow (a woman so demented she actually married House of Commons Speaker, John Bercow) calling the makers "nutters"; and the host, Wright, actually insulting a caller, who phoned in defending the pack, a "care in the community caller". Even self-styled lefty and professional Northerner, Terry Christian duly copped out and said "hate the sin, don't hate the sinner."
So when the evil old hag does die there is going to be a ton of pressure placed on us by the media for us to honour and pay lip-service to her passing. So I think it will be important for the left to make some noise over it and maybe organise impromptu street parties in every city centre up and down the country, celebrating her demise.
If they're foolish enough to give her a state funeral, we should organise an impromptu counter demonstration as close to Westminster as possible.
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Can't give her a 'state' funeral, she'd hate that, we should let the market sort it out and give her a 'private' funeral instead.
And I think we should all take a leaf out of our budding TUC capitalist's books and produce souvenirs for the occassion - I'm thinking, T-shirts with the slogan 'Ding! Dong! The Witch is dead!' - maybe mugs and scarves too.
Any other good ideas out there?
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
Could also barrage Labour, Tory and Lib Dem members via e-mail or leafleting along the lines of,
'She's dead, let her ideas die with her'
List her crimes and their parties' complicity in them or supporting them. Urge them to repent.
Maybe that's weak, I don't know.
You sound like a traumatised assault victim.
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Thatcher was not some omnipotent phenomenon that single-handedly caused the defeat of the left and the trade unions. Sections of the left will celebrate her death, but that's because they themselves are dead and have long ceased to be part of any living, breathing social movement. They have little they can do in the present and, in reality, long for the struggles of the '80s, when everything seemed relatively so uncomplicated and clear. They have more nostalgia for the Thatcher years than they would care to admit. Indeed, everything in the present is 'Thatcherite' with them.
By all means call bullshit on the heaps of historically illiterate praise that's inevitably going to follow her death. But who really wants to be a sub-caricature of Class War - that absurd parody of leftwing politics?
exactly, and as the boss points out 'thatcherism' didn't even really start with thatcher but with the callaghan government that preceded her. but then the issue isn't what individuals we should blame for the massive assault on our class that the 70s and 80s brought, but why it happened. i don't think all of that can be reduced to thatcher's "evilness", whether she was evil or not. bottom line is it all would have happened thatcher or not.
i was born during the (early) major years, so i obviously did not experience living under thatcher and perhaps i'd feel differently if i did, but i can honestly say i won't feel any emotion when she dies. i certainly won't be sad about it, but what pleasure can i take from a senile old bat dying? it's not going to improve my life or bring full communism any closer; i might pretend that it's really funny to irl troll people, but otherwise...
plus the t-shirt design sucks and if an ed miliband supporter can wear one...
... there's clearly something wrong with it.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? You sound like a fuckhead.
I don't recall anyone in this thread making any claims of that sort.
Speak for yourself, Vanguard1917. If you've got specific criticisms to make of contemporary leftists orgs in the UK then there is plenty of space on this forum to do so. It would be nice if you could dispense with the vague generalities, however.
Maybe that's because they actually recognise that it didn't all spring wholly-formed, like Botticelli's Venus, from a single reactionary politician, but was representative of a general change in UK politics.
Throwing stones while living in a glass house, I see. Speaking of absurd parodies, do you still uncritically link to articles written by Brendan O'Neill?
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Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains - Karl Marx
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As far as I'm concerned, they can throw her body in a landfill when she finally dies. They just better not even consider a state funeral for her or anyone involved in her government.
Should they instead give state funerals to leaders we like?Originally Posted by RedAnarchist
Campaigning against Thatcher having a state funeral is solidly Labour-left territory, i.e. for the kind of people who don't want their beloved British state associated with 'evil'.
It's like getting annoyed when someone you don't like gets a knighthood. Implicit in that is the belief that state honours are 'good' and should be reserved for 'good people'.
Easy now, whippersnapper.
I don't think anyone should get a state funeral or a knighthood, personally. Both are archaic and irrelevant to modern times.
OK, I'm gonna say that, seriously, Vanguard1917 is right. Campaigns about state funerals, and individuals who are now in their 80s and very confused, are completely irrelevant. And yes, sometimes those of us who were political in the '80s act like trauma victims.
Still planning on turning up at Traf Square however.
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
State funeral means it comes out of my pocket. Why should I not fucking hate that?
Maybe you wouldn't be quite so temperate if it was your arse at risk of being penniless for up to three years. I'm quite capable of hating that fucking frightful harridan and realising that she is merely one of the ugliest pustules on a titanic boil that has been swelling up for decades, thank you so very much.
The Human Progress Group
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker - Mikhail Bakunin
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains - Karl Marx
Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value - R. Buckminster Fuller
The important thing is not to be human but to be humane - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Check out my speculative fiction project: NOVA MUNDI
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