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    Default Hungary Child Soldier Training

    A few hundred kilometers from me in a country that has regular anti immigrant pogroms and hte most far right government in Europe, it reminds one very much of Fascism when teaching 11 year olds how to shoot machine guns and learn military training. Look
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    Shit that's fucked up.
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    Mate, the situation is very serious and it is not being recoginzed in the capitalist press as it should. Here is a documentary about the living conditions of the "Roma" Gypsy minority that are being targeted by the "Black shirt Guard" in Hungary regularly.
    To sum it up if you don't understand german:
    The teacher at the beginning is a Gypsy. In Europe, Gypsies live on the fringes of society, and she says that since she has been teaching about Politicas and specifically right wing extremism in her school in the last ten years, kids have become increasingly scared at the subject.
    There is a school called "Ghandi" in south western Hungary that is for Roman culture studies, and while the Roma ethnicity make up 10% of the Hungarian population, this is the only state school in all of Hungary. One kid interviewed in school says that there needs to maybe be more police to stop right wing purges, but another student quickly interupts him and says the police recently attacked six Gypsies in their town.
    Later, viewer is introduced to a Gypsy village. 70-90% of Gypsies in Hungary are unemployed, and most kids can't go to school because it is too far away from their towns and their parents need them to help in the household to survive. At the end a guy says, "What can we do, no one can protect us. Recently a family was killed and the Police did not even investigate." and another woman says "Under Communism life was better" where a man replies "We have nothing now, no one here has higher education"

    And then you of course have the fascists that parade through the streets and talk about how the Gypsies dont want to co-operate. The Black shirt guard movement openly states racial inferiority theories, while the JOBBIK fascistic party is the third strongest national party since the recent elections. All these racist crimes, institutionalised discrimination against minorities, open admirers of the Hitlerite ally Horthy and openly fascist movements are being tolerated by the bourgeois states of the EU.


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    Here in the region of Vojvodina, Serbia where there is a Hungarian minority. We've had situations where Hungarian neo-Nazis attack Serbs (usually elderly men). They were set to have a neo-Nazi music festival here a few months ago but they were not allowed by the government to hold it.

    What is funny, and confusing to me is that Serb fascists don't have a problem with them. Which to me makes very little sense considering they should hate each other being they are both nationalists of two separate nations. Right?
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    Comrade, it is the stupidity which unites them!
    "It is necessary for Communists to enter into contradiction with the consciousness of the masses. . . The problem with these Transitional programs and transitional demands, which don't enter into any contradiction with the consciousness of the masses, or try to trick the masses into entering into the class struggle, create soviets - [is that] it winds up as common-or-garden reformism or economism." - Mike Macnair, on the necessity of the Minimum and Maximum communist party Program.

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    Here is another documentary about the paramilitary fascist "Hungarian Guard". They notoriously march through villages during the day time and then set fires to the houses of Gypsies at night and open fire on the men, women and children that flee from their burning houses.
    When do you read about this in the mainstream press?

    I have had it, Europe Needs a Red Army Now!
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    What? I thought Hungary had pro-soviet sentiment
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    What? I thought Hungary had pro-soviet sentiment
    No, they have a right wing party dictatorship in coalition with the JOBBIK paramilitary party, fascist movement of the Hungarian Guards.
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    I don't think its that shocking. A lot of youth want to be in the military, and the more ambitious go to these camps (or join Cadets). It's not unusual...
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    Here in the region of Vojvodina, Serbia where there is a Hungarian minority. We've had situations where Hungarian neo-Nazis attack Serbs (usually elderly men). They were set to have a neo-Nazi music festival here a few months ago but they were not allowed by the government to hold it.

    What is funny, and confusing to me is that Serb fascists don't have a problem with them. Which to me makes very little sense considering they should hate each other being they are both nationalists of two separate nations. Right?
    Who said fascists are reasonable and rational?
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    A Red Army implies armed action, which, I think, isn't applicable. We can, however, set up a network of "Antifa Fight Clubs" to serve as the protection of vulnerable communities against police brutality and far-right violence. A poster here on revleft posted the following video a while ago:

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    A Red Army implies armed action, which, I think, isn't applicable. We can, however, set up a network of "Antifa Fight Clubs" to serve as the protection of vulnerable communities against police brutality and far-right violence. A poster here on revleft posted the following video a while ago:

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    Dude, rule 1 of the antifa fight club is that you don't talk about antifa fight club.

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    A Red Army implies armed action, which, I think, isn't applicable. We can, however, set up a network of "Antifa Fight Clubs" to serve as the protection of vulnerable communities against police brutality and far-right violence. A poster here on revleft posted the following video a while ago:

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    Yes, but i mean Red Army as in that we need to have at least one country of Europe become a workers state to finance and organize a European Red Army to counter such countries that are including fascists in their government now as in Romania, Hungary, Austria etc.
    "It is necessary for Communists to enter into contradiction with the consciousness of the masses. . . The problem with these Transitional programs and transitional demands, which don't enter into any contradiction with the consciousness of the masses, or try to trick the masses into entering into the class struggle, create soviets - [is that] it winds up as common-or-garden reformism or economism." - Mike Macnair, on the necessity of the Minimum and Maximum communist party Program.

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    Yes, but i mean Red Army as in that we need to have at least one country of Europe become a workers state to finance and organize a European Red Army to counter such countries that are including fascists in their government now as in Romania, Hungary, Austria etc.
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    What? I thought Hungary had pro-soviet sentiment
    It does. It also has pretty bad problems with racism (especially against Roma) and fascism has a good, strong standing with Jobbik even being the third largest party in the country. These things can coexist, you know, Hungary is not a monolithic mass of certain kinds of people.

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    I don't think its that shocking. A lot of youth want to be in the military, and the more ambitious go to these camps (or join Cadets). It's not unusual...
    It really is, though. These are not some random young guys, these are kids. Kids don't join the Cadets. Because they're kids. Some of those obviously haven't really even reached their teenage years yet.
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    It does. It also has pretty bad problems with racism (especially against Roma) and fascism has a good, strong standing with Jobbik even being the third largest party in the country. These things can coexist, you know, Hungary is not a monolithic mass of certain kinds of people.



    It really is, though. These are not some random young guys, these are kids. Kids don't join the Cadets. Because they're kids. Some of those obviously haven't really even reached their teenage years yet.
    Yes, this is called indoctrination. Very worrying in a right wing state.
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    Exactly the same thing is happening in Israel. This is a piece of a brochure for a vacation for young people (high school graduates) in Israel:

    "Marva / Sar ElOne of the ways to truly understand Israeli society is through a military experience. While on Year Course, participants can choose to take advantage of an Army experience through Sar-El and Marva. As part of Sar-El, participants spend approximately 2-3 weeks volunteering on an army base in order to help and better understand Israeli society through interactions with soldiers. After Sar-El, participants continue on to Marva, the army program run by the Israeli Defense Forces. (Marva is not part of the IDF and is not considered actual army service). Marva is an 8-week program and each week is dedicated to a different topic. The participants go through physical and emotional army training. They wear uniforms and are under military discipline and rules. The army program includes firing guns, learning survival skills, field training, self-defense, topography and navigation, meeting Israeli soldiers and observing live drills with the different army units. It also includes learning about famous battles in Israeli history and learning about the different units in the Israeli Defense Forces. Marva participants will be housed in Arad apartments for their weekends."

    Link: http://www.yearcourse.org/the-program/program-overview/

    I am almost certain I saw this same 'vacation' in Israel, with army training and stuff, in a documentary once. That was also for younger people, I will try to find an article about it.

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