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    Default Politics "Explained" Liberatarians argue the left "forces" people..

    I was in a debate with some Ron Paul Libetarian fan boy the other day. I wasn't even trying to discuss politics but he suckered me into having a debate on his terms. Vague answers and using the word "Freedom" very loosely. I saw this posted the other day by one of his Ron Paul friends and I noticed that how they use the word "FORCE" for both Left and Right politics...

    In your own Revolutionary words how YOU defined their "perfect" answers to Marriage, Health Care, Money, Taxation and War?



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    The terms of the arguement are false to begin with, libertarians assume the 'left' are the democrats amongst other false assumptions. The democrats are hardly at the centre nevermind the left.

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    All of those chicks are cute imo, but who cares about what a "libertarian" has to say when they hijacked their name from a radical socialist tendency(coined by Joseph Dejacque:Anarcho-Communist)? Everytime i debate libertarians i bring up this fact just to piss them off
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    Why do they use pictures of "hot" girls to illustrate their chart? Pissing me off...
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    I love how libertarians act like if only businessmen didn't have so many damn taxes they would be able to give money to charity, as that's clearly their motivation.
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    yeah, libertarians like to oversimplify things to the point where their ideas are not even really applicable to real life situations. Basically most libertarians are people who haven't really had to face the real challenges that society presents to most people. they live in a fantasy world where every problem can be traced back solely to the existence of a state. It's a very simpleminded and watered-down mentality, perhaps that's why libertarianism attracts so many young people.
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    There intentions are all well and good, but when push comes to shove they just end up voting Republican and for the "Right Wing" category anyways.
    But now we must pick up every piece
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    At least enough to carry on
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    Why do they use pictures of "hot" girls to illustrate their chart? Pissing me off...
    The capitalist says "sex sells!" whereas the libertarian says "sex makes people listen to my not so well thought out opinions!"
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    The chart is entirely irrelevant. History, and economy, is not a course of action based on individual and disconnected decisions or "Great Men", but material forces: class struggle and the current antagonism between capital and labor. Libertarianism is the epitome of idealism: the belief that eternal ideals guide man and not material conditions.

    Not to mention, it's obviously one-sided bullshit.
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    How exactly does the Right and Left or "the state" found marriage for people? We pay for the cake too?
    we need more revolutions and less "isms"
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    Married people enjoy certain tax deductions and other privileges. I'm surprised they didn't bring up the issue of children, which the state also 'funds'.
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    What a convenient ass chart!

    They don't even try hard at propaganda. They're also insulting the intelligence level of the average reader.
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    Yes, the chart is a reflection of their childish naivity and stupidity.
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    way too many fucking libertarian institutes producing shit

    but this quick chart is convenient and easy to understand.. something you'd find circulating on facebook/twitter
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    The terms of the arguement are false to begin with, libertarians assume the 'left' are the democrats amongst other false assumptions. The democrats are hardly at the centre nevermind the left.
    no, not even the democrats agree with what's listed..

    but i like how libertarians try to distance themselves from the right and left, oh we're the best of both worlds! we're the third position/the alternative..etc no you're right wing
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    way too many fucking libertarian institutes producing shit
    Just how are these groups getting funded? There are so many of them popping up.

    The net is filled with libertarian junk.
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    Anyone that has their opinion swayed by this is someone who I wouldn't want on our side anyway.
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    I have a problem with the infantile usage of the term "the state". I want a state of workers to force the rich (not to give up higher taxes) but to be liquidated as a class.
    This is a fitting quote:
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    Just how are these groups getting funded? There are so many of them popping up.

    The net is filled with libertarian junk.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_In..._and_structure

    even charities fund these organizations..
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    Libertarians are really irritatating. Would anyone be down for debating the lassiez faire capitalism group on Facebook? I'm thinking of setting up a socialist community page called "socialism =\= state ownership" or something like that which we could launch debates from. Would anyone be interested?
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