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Written from a liberal perspective, but still interesting...brings up a topic I've often wondered myself.
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http://anarchistnews.org/content/ris...ass-opposition
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
First of all any talk of 'civil liberties' are missing the point, only the bourgeoisie (the ones who owns and control the means of production) has civil liberties while the poor/working classes/share holders don't and they never did and never will. That's how the Capitalist system works and how it is designed.
Uh, yeah, as I said, it's written by someone who is not a communist.
I don't want this to get bogged down into a discussion about the author's "theoretical errors" or whatever. I'm interested in a discussion about why there hasn't been a backlash against the police state in the USA. That's the main crux of the article. I guess the easiest explanation is that most people haven't come face-to-face with the reality of it yet.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
there is a very strong culture of 'well if the police were doing this, the people must have deserved it' among some people in the us i think so they dont really see it in perspective
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
One also has to take into consideration the awesome and overwhelming effect of the media; the one which portrays everything in the light of "terrorism" and how such draconian laws are needed to ensure safety. The American public, after all, never had the most piercing lens when it came to current events.
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A vig part of the problem is the Deomcratic Party and the US media, both of which serve to shield Obama and the rapidly growing US national security state. IF this was happening under the Bush Administration there would be howls of protest.The Dems are great at demobilizing the population.
This is why its likely that Obama will be reelected. The ruling class sees him as the one most able to hold things together rather than the absurd and hapless Romney.
Last edited by Lenina Rosenweg; 4th August 2012 at 02:47.
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There is no "police state", only a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Using slogans such as that detracts from the real issue and gives people the idea that weakening the executive will lead to a better democracy, which is a reformist approach in essence.
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There are different gradations and levels of freedom and social control and repression of the working class in bourgeois democracies though. Russia, Columbia, and Egypt are bourgeois democracies. The ability to organize is different,
To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget
Arundhati Roy
Lenina Rosenweg is a glorious beacon of light
LR pretty much already answered this post sufficiently, but I'll chime in: while there isn't much in the way of fundamental economic differences between, say, a brutal fascist dictatorship and a liberal democratic republic, there sure as hell is a big difference between a communist's ability to organize or even survive in said nations.
Ask an Argentinian communist who was alive and active in politics during the late 70's (the military junta years) if there's absolutely no meaningful difference as it relates to politics vis-a-vis levels of state repression. There sure as hell is, and that's why this topic is important.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
I agree with most of that. I'm not denying that there are different degrees of repression in capitalist countries and this article is specifically about the US; not Argentina, Russia, Columbia, or Egypt. The problem is when people target the "police state" rather than the specific class (i.e. the bourgeoisie) that upholds this police state. In my opinion, this specific type of sloganeering detracts from the class struggle and hides what the real problem is because, as I noted above, it can give people the impression that democracy will be fixed once the bureaucratic executive apparatus is reformed, which hides the fact that class warfare is being waged against them. Comrades in the United States, more than anywhere else, should be raising awareness of the *class struggle* rather than campaigning with this "police state" business.
As you can see from the article itself, they are not specifically targeting the entire system that gave rise to the police state. They are not attempting to build class consciousness but are attempting to build a "pro-democracy movement" to "confront the powers and prerogatives or even protest the investigations of the police state." It goes on to say that "The police state incubated during the first years of the Cold War was challenged by mass movements pledged to retain or regain democratic freedoms and civil rights." Of course, since it was written by liberals I wouldn't expect anything else but it does demonstrate that the "police state" slogans are often tied into reformism. We have our own things to bring to people's attention i.e. imperialism and the class struggle.
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Its not just in the US but in the UK too. I have been banging on for years to my friends about the increasing levels of govt intervention and control in our lives but its hard trying to convince them. Most people I have spoke to refuse to accept the connection between the bourgeoisie and the state, often claiming its just conspiracy nonsense and the state is representative of the people because its a democracy. In addition, many seem to have deified the state to the stage they accept its mandate without question because they see it as the 'right' and 'good' thing to do.
Thankfully recent events such as the financial turmoil and the ineptitude of the current tory govt are starting to make people think differently about this.
I know this is just anecdotal but I thought i would share anyway.