STOP EDL! - Stockholm 4th August

[Crux]

Can you specify what "isolate them" and "shut then down" means already? Because for all your insistence that your not part of the peace police you already several times shown to fully be part of their hypocrisy, slamming a apparently monolithic blackblock for pushing their "violent" tactics but atmitting that you weren't involved in the preparation nor have a clue what the view of the organisers was on a diversity of tactics, apparently pacifism is considered the default setting for you, a position I already explained is an white sexist privileged one that only serves the state.
Also the fact that you slam comrades for not wanting to get photographed shows an disstinct lack of understanding on your side of who in this case is the aggressor.

And by the way, again, I don't know enough about the situation in Sweden but here and in Germany it are AFA who mobilize the big groups, trots just parasite...

Yes, let's ignore actual results in favour of fetishizing a tactic that fuck shit up and then get all pissy when others dare to criticize. So why didn't you have anything to say on, you know, actual police dressing up as black block and using black block tactics as a way to shut demos down? Or I mean should we respect that "diversity of tactics" too? It's funny how "diversity of tactics" can make something that can harm an entire demo, even shut it down, beyond criticism but makes selling papers or having banners a big issue.

Aside from a purely, personal feel all big and bad aspect, I don't think anyone can say that the handful of black blockers tactics on the counter demo were anything but damaging, But hey let's ignore that in favour of straw men about pacifists.

Yes let's all throw tactics out the window in favour of a tactic born out of individualism and myopia. How this is better than the super pacifists who call all militancy violence and thus oppose it I don't know. Two cheeks on the same liberal ass if you ask me.

Do you want me to list demos where our tactic's has succeeded and compare that to the tacticlessnes of riot-fetishism's record of success? Naturally I am most familiar with sweden, but here's one article that was translated:
Thousands of Gothenburg anti-racists hugely outnumber far right rally

[Sasha]

yeah, lets have a dick measuring contest, that sounds usefull.
i was going to say something about the anti-edl actions in amsterdam that i actually organised but nevermind, the fact you dont even know that the whole tactic of mass blockades by an "bundniss" of very diverse groups and with a diversity like in dresden, koln and now dortmund (and by the looks of it poorly copied by you in gottenborg) was developed by german AFA makes this a quite pointless discussion...

edit: that article you posted actually proofs my point wonderfully, i understand this is written for your own publication but seriously...

[Crux]

yeah, lets have a dick measuring contest, that sounds usefull.
i was going to say something about the anti-edl actions in amsterdam that i actually organised but nevermind, the fact you dont even know that the whole tactic of mass blockades by an "bundniss" of very diverse groups and with a diversity like in dresden, koln and now dortmund (and by the looks of it poorly copied by you in gottenborg) was developed by german AFA makes this a quite pointless discussion...

edit: that article you posted actually proofs my point wonderfully, i understand this is written for your own publication but seriously...

German AFA and swedish AFA are different, where the former is much broader and the latter seems to live in a semi-existence and much more anarchist based. In gothenburg the black block chose to not fuck up for fucking ups sake and lo and behold it worked much better. This is so obvious stuff it's almost a tautology.

Say what you were going to say and stop using the pacifist straw man. No one in this thread is arguing for pacifism.

[NoPasaran1936]

There's this thing called tactics...
And I don't think the minority who were there to throw shit at the cops has a right to mess thing's up. Now I wasn't there, but I've been on plenty of demo's, yes with blac blockers present too, that have not ended up that way.

I'm sure that passive resistance did well to show the fascists they ain't welcome! I'm sure they stood there thinking "You know what, they're right"

[Crux]

I'm sure that passive resistance did well to show the fascists they ain't welcome! I'm sure they stood there thinking "You know what, they're right"

See that's not how it works.

[Crux]

*sigh* at least read what I and Olentzero has said...

[Olentzero]

At this point you know they haven't, they're just coming in to troll.