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    Hello comrades,
    Life isnt easy as a teenage commie?
    Once you read marx, u begin to doubt everything, and u feel isolated which is shit.
    You begin to doubt even normal shit, and begin to sometimes become paranoid about your own health, eg i think im gonna go loony sometimes.
    Does anyone else feel the same, any more stories?

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    Yeah I get it all the time, people call you nicknames like "commie bastard" and "che" (which is kind of cool but they do it to be a pain). I look at things differently now and things anger me like never before. Other people don't get that and they laugh when I tell them how I feel. Luckily there are some people at my school who share my beliefs, one who is an anarchist and one who wants to do philosophy.
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    Well, I think that it is quite normal that teenagers hate communists. Because most of teenagers dream about USA, pink sugar and cream films and free Mcburgers! And I am sure that they can't even imagine another lifestyle than they see from American movies - hanging around with friends, shopping-shopping-shopping, driving new shiny cars... what else? And money rules their life. Most of them will never get it all but still they won't loose those *ideals*.
    By the way, a few days ago I met in a chatroom an American guy and we started chatting. He started asking me what do I think about USA and he said how cool everything is there. I told him what i think and I told him too about my communistic wiews. Then he said that of course I am wrong but started talking about a American movie where a hot Russian chick will meet a capitalistic spy from USA and they'll fell in love. Isn't it sweet and creamy?! And so they are thinking... The only thing I could say was... EXCUSE-ME???!!!!
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    Maaja, that is so true. I have an American cousin, only six months younger than me and we are world's apart. She is interested with fashion, money, beauty and oh did I mention, money. She doesn't care up anyone else but herself. We have a very gift if we can see things how they are and stand up for ourselves at such a young age. This is something that should be treasured and not given up without a fight.
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    I went through an angry phase, now i just tend to chill out, in fact i find it hard to work up a good anger...
    i can't find people annoying anymore, cos i don't perceive it as their fault for who they are...

    anyway, i certainly think you have to question everything, especially reality and sanity etc.

    I mean, think about it, how do you know the info your perceptions gives you is correct? or even that your interpretations are correct? and if things so fundamental as that can't be proven true, then anything that you think could be wrong.
    I went rhough some times doubting my connection with reality, but you have to work on assumptions, even if you accept that the foundation for those assumptions could be wrong...
    ah, what fun to babble...
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    It's hard, because everyone tells you it doesn't work. They say things like "why would people work" and "bleeding heart socialist, stop living in a dream". It's pretty depressing sometimes, it would be so much easier to be a jughead. Damn airheads at my school "like, yeah, how can you think that? I don't agree, how would you shop?". But its good to have a cause.
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    Most of ppl run away from the truth. they use the movies for that , just to dream and convince theirselves that what they see is all amazing and true .
    they just dont know the great lies behind all this , thats why they call it ( movies ) !!
    Real eyes Realize Real lies
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    It's difficult to be different
    but what can we do?
    for the love of love
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    Yeah its terrible i feel the same way Tavareesh. People are like why are you wearing that che shirt hes a commie why dont you burn it. blah blah blah
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    i read a newspaper or something. and then i always think:
    WHY ARE HUMANS SO BLIND AND STUPID? dont they see that it doesnt work?
    Change the world
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    The capitalist idea is injected into the minds of every person in the U.S and many other capitalist countries.
    It is this selfish ideaology, this "dog eat dog mentality", which is put forth to you the moment you are born.
    The instruments of munipulation include, but are not limited to, telivision, movies, video games, newspapers, magazines, schools..............................
    the list can go on forever.
    You few fortunate individuals have not subcumb to these forces(yet?) by deciding that there is more to it than personal satisfaction.
    You individuals must never become discouraged or drift away from what you truly believe in.
    This cannot be some simple hobby of yours.
    It must define you if you intend on defining it.
    It must trigger something inside you when an injustice is being committed.
    It must be seen in every action you take no matter how minute.
    It must be with you until your very last breath.

    Fight until Victory is achieved or dont bother fighting at all.
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    I SAID RUN AND YOU CRAWLED
    I WANT YOU TO STAND
    BUT ON THE FLOOR ARE YoU SPRAWLED
    WHAT HAPPENED TO FREEDOM
    YOU THREW IT AWAY
    SUCH A VALUABLE THING
    DOESNT COME EVERY DAY

    I FALL AND YOU WALK PAST
    YOU DONT SLOW, YOU GO FAST
    NO HELP FROM YOU, NOT A CARE
    TO HELP ME WOULD BE DIFFERENT
    AND THATS SOMETHING YOU WOULDNT DARE

    MY FACE BURNS
    AND YOUR'S TURNS
    LOOK ON WITH COLD IMPASSIVE EYE
    AT MY FOOLISHNESS YOU SIGH
    WHAT A FOOL TO SUFFER PAIN
    MAYBE I SHOULD REFRAIN
    MAYBE I SHOULD CRAWL AWAY
    STOP MY SCREAMING
    END MY PAIN
    LET YOU GET ON WITH YOUR FUCKIN CLOUD CUCKOO LAND FUCKIN PERFECT LIFE

    YEAH YEAH YEAH VIOLENT REACTION
    ENERGY FILLIN ME JUST GOTTA JUMP
    JUST GOTTA SHOUT
    HEAR ME,
    HEAR YOU HEAR IT ALL COS HERE IT COMES
    ENERGY TOTALITY EVERYWHERE IN MY HEAR IN MY SOUL IN MY MIND
    SEE IF PEACE YOU CAN FIND
    WHEN I SHOUT
    ALL YOU HEAR
    COS I SHOUT
    A CRY OF FEAR

    i feel like i feel like seeing what i feel like i feel like lookin here seein you seein all cos i see and i feel no escape from the meal all are here none are gone see if i dont run away no way i stay where i die too much pain put in my head put that puppet there instead anguish rides up my skull no fun when tingles fill my nerves spinal chord hanging loose holding guts in my hands looking at those bloody strands what is worth all this effort except the pain that they have sent into my very mind that drives me to madness that sends me where i dont know a place of my own mind im dreaming now here in my mind a place of their creation formed of my imagination who knows who i am think i found him sitting here curled in a ball crying with fear poor little boy cry no more i found you/me at last no more fear when the end is so near no need for tears when we can run and frollock in fields no longer feeling pain because that corpse in the real world that they jab is no longer connected to me or this place or you i wanted to run to a safe place and now they've sent me here thank god that safe place is in my mind where it doesnt matter if i die in the sweet embrace of myself as i watch the burning buildings collapse about those who fled the city burning in uproar because im in a bubble where i cant see their pain

    oh mother, why wont the cold go away,
    oh mother, why do you always float away,
    i miss your face,
    miss your embrace
    what happened that took away my soul
    i feel cold all inside,
    i cant from myself hide...
    wrapped up, in a ball, i shiver, i rock, i wish, close my eyes, go somewhere else, demons of my mind are no more kind... wheat, grass, trees, leaves peace at last... breeze sweet smells clouds floating in the sky
    look, that one looks like a rabbit...
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    Allow me, for the moment, to be the vox of experience.

    I'm older than you. Believe it.

    I don't think that it's surprising for teenagers to question their sanity. In fact, it's the appropriate action, I think. After all, teenagers are emerging from childhood and still clearly see that things are not right. When confronted with a world of insanity, just what is the proper reaction?

    Many of your peers acquiesce. Some of you will, too. I'm lucky, in a way, in that I came to politics later in life. This is an ugly and foul business, and idealists are shed along the way, or, like me, see the wisdom of materialism. Do not ever expect human beings to live up to your idealism. Che is about the closest you'll get.

    Okay, end of sermon.

    On a practical level, I've said this before and I'll say it now. When people challenge what you say, you DAMN well better be able to counter them. This isn't just about socialism being good, it's also about capitalism being bad. Know your theory. Stay calm. Stay rational. Stay polite. Do all of that, but destroy the argument against your belief. You can do it. Hell, if I can, and I think I do a fair job, you can, too. I'm not special, after all. I'm just another worker in the struggle.

    When challenged, defeat the challenger. Yes, it requires a lot of reading, and often the topic is boring, but you will gain not only credibility, but a great defense against those who seek to revile you.

    I'd be willing to make a wager. Read for a month, to the exclusion of other things. Read and then read some more, for one month, and then see how you do in an argument with one of your "let's keep the status quo" friends you have. I'm betting you'd beat him down like a dog in the street.

    It just takes a little time and commitment. You'd be surprised at how quickly and easily they fall.

    By the way, you'll lose friends, but gain a life of knowledge.

    vox
    Economists have provided capitalists with a comforting concept called the "free market." It does not describe any part of reality, at any place or time. It's a mantra conveniently invoked when it is proposed that government do something the faithful don't like, and just as conveniently ignored whenever they want government to do something for them.
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    thankyou comrades, this is a great example of comrades helping each other, and especially thank you vox for showing its normal to question sanity

    i appreciate this much
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    Thanks for the brilliant advice Vox, I'll take it on board, it's so much better to beat down someone with a well thought out arguement than violence and cursing. You get more respect for it and also people take not for. Also you won't get the negative repercussions that come with violence.
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    Quote: from drunktank on 7:43 pm on Nov. 23, 2001
    It's difficult to be different
    but what can we do?

    oh, yes it's difficult but it has it moments and if you hang in there and dont give up or give in eventually it will get better. because the battle seems almost impossible to fight physically then strengthen your spirituallity and value that the most important. eventually you will find the answers that you need that may not apply to any one else. in other words do your part and as a body has several parts for different functions, one no less important than the other, a body can do magnificant things. VIVE LA ESPERANZE. NEVER GIVE UP!
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    I definitely know the feeling. Life's hard, and this might be true for you too, but for me the people who I believe to be my friends turn out to give me the most trouble about my politics.
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    Quote: from vox on 4:24 am on Nov. 24, 2001
    Allow me, for the moment, to be the vox of experience.

    I'm older than you. Believe it.

    I don't think that it's surprising for teenagers to question their sanity. In fact, it's the appropriate action, I think. After all, teenagers are emerging from childhood and still clearly see that things are not right. When confronted with a world of insanity, just what is the proper reaction?

    Many of your peers acquiesce. Some of you will, too. I'm lucky, in a way, in that I came to politics later in life. This is an ugly and foul business, and idealists are shed along the way, or, like me, see the wisdom of materialism. Do not ever expect human beings to live up to your idealism. Che is about the closest you'll get.

    Okay, end of sermon.

    On a practical level, I've said this before and I'll say it now. When people challenge what you say, you DAMN well better be able to counter them. This isn't just about socialism being good, it's also about capitalism being bad. Know your theory. Stay calm. Stay rational. Stay polite. Do all of that, but destroy the argument against your belief. You can do it. Hell, if I can, and I think I do a fair job, you can, too. I'm not special, after all. I'm just another worker in the struggle.

    When challenged, defeat the challenger. Yes, it requires a lot of reading, and often the topic is boring, but you will gain not only credibility, but a great defense against those who seek to revile you.

    I'd be willing to make a wager. Read for a month, to the exclusion of other things. Read and then read some more, for one month, and then see how you do in an argument with one of your "let's keep the status quo" friends you have. I'm betting you'd beat him down like a dog in the street.

    It just takes a little time and commitment. You'd be surprised at how quickly and easily they fall.

    By the way, you'll lose friends, but gain a life of knowledge.

    vox
    Important and persuasive words vox.
    It cannot but be supportive, socialist, communist or whatever you want to call it. Does nature, and the human species with it, have much time left to survive in the absence of such change? Very little time. Who will be the builders of that new world? The
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    vox those were great words my friend. i admire your determination, because u are a worker while i am a college student. you have to contend with paying taxes, you are in the system, while most of us students arent yet held down by the system.
    I also agree with you 100% when u say for people to read for a month, ive been reading for the past year and a half, i have basicaly no social life but ive found a higher life in that of wisdom. fom reading a large variety of texts, im able to crush the argument of a capitalist. it also helps that i take ethical reasoning courses which teaches me how to argue properly. i recommend th same to all of u, it is not difficult it just takes a bit of discipline. good luckcomrades. peace

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