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hello
hey, a friend of mine told me about this forum so i signed up.
My name is Omer and i come from Israel, i am a Marxist-Leninist and i make youtube gaming videos (you can check them out if you want)
i don't support palestine facist liberation movements in any way and i don't support the Israeli govrement.
please take note that israel is not zionist, and zionism died in 1948.
if you want to ask me questions about this then messege me.
Palestine Fascist Liberation?
You are joking right?
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
wait. do you say that hamas and fatah are not islamic facists?
Yeah, but I think that is as a result of the Israeli government. Also I believe there are Marxist groups in Palestine.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
By that logic we could blame the Jews for Hitler's crimes.
you have to understand that if right now palestine will be created it would be facist.
in every country there is marxists, but israeli population are much more socialists oriented then palestine
Again, the fascist aspects are a result of the murdering and opressing done by Israel.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
you should know that the Jewish plortarient is also being opressed and it is not fair that the arabs are getting all the attention
Israeli =/= Jew
Also, I somehow agree, but if you see how much more the Palestinians get oppressed .the amount of attention they get (which still isn't enough) does seem to be fair.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
but that is just what happens in every capitalist country, the minorities will be opressed until revolution comes.
the reason the zionists are being blamed for all the world problems is, because they are jewish.
it is just like nazi propaganda when they said that zionism was a massive conspiracy.
it is just weird for me that both facists and leftists (and haredic jews) hate zionism.
i think that zionism does not exist anymore and it died in 1948.
I don't blame zionism for world problems, blame it for the problems in Palestine.
Also instead of saying in every thread that it died in 1948 give some fucking proof will ya.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
i said i belive it died in 1948, do you want me to proof that i belive in it?
i am not trying to fight over this thing, so instead of arguing about zionism why dont you read what i think is the optimal solution?
You could give some proof why you think it died.
I can say: I believe bookshelves died in 2000
But that isn't right either, but I won't have to prove it because I said that I believe it?
So give some proof why you thin it died in 1948.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
Well, I don't know about Israel but in the United States, except for maybe the Flotillas trying to reach Gaza incidents, the vast, harsh, and massive oppression of the Palestinians almost never gets news coverage, and when it does it usually is in the context of "supporting Israel" and not saying a critical word about them.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3667
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4090
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3767
Just a few examples.
Anyway, welcome to the forum.
I know you probably didn't mean to come off this way, but the above statement sounded a little racist.
"The exploited are not carriers of any positive project, be it even the classless society (which all too closely resembles the productive set up). Capital is their only community. They can only escape by destroying everything that makes them exploited...Capitalism has not created the conditions of its overcoming in communism-the famous bourgeoisie forging the arms of its own extinction-but of a world of horrors." -At Daggers Drawn
"Our strategy is therefore the following: to establish and maintain a series of centers of desertion, or poles of secession, of rallying points. For runaways. For those who leave. A series of places where we can escape from the influence of a civilization that is headed for the abyss." -Tiqqun, Call
Zionism is not dead at all. Most Isreali's still strive for an independent state based on the Jewish religion? Isreal is still stealing/colonizing parts of Palestine? What makes you think zionism has died?
And what makes you think Hamas and Fatah are fascists? You can call them muslism-fundamentalist, but not fascist. There is a difference. Besides, most fascists absolutely hate muslims. Besides the Turkish fascist groups, ofcourse.
And if the Isreali population is so much more socialist orientated than the Palestine population, then why are there popular (ex-)marxist movements in Palestine and not in Isreal? And why does Isreal has a right-wing government?
And I believe the Arabian population (or 'arabs', as you call them) both in Palestine and Israel, together with African immigrants, are far more opressed and exploited by the Isrealian government and Jewish extremists than the Isreali proletariat. I am not saying the Isreali proletariat is not suffering, as I know the prices for nearly everything are extremely high in Isreal, and that extremist Jewish groups have a lot of power, but I would not say that it is not fair that the Arabian population get more attention. They need more attention.
because the goal of zionism was to create an option for jews who didn't want to live in europe because of racism agnist jews.
so in 1948, when israel was created jews had an option to live in a country where there is no antisemitisem, so zionism is not needed anymore.
of course, your definition of zionism may be diffrent from mine so everything is possibale
well, the capitalists want to keep the pops ignorant.
i am sorry if it sounded racist, i tried to make a joke about it being "not fair"
i will never say anything racist about arabs and i have a lot of arab friends
Actually I think by that logic, the equivalency would be: Polish Jews in Warsaw started hating any Germans for what the German occupation was doing to them or if some anti-racist blacks in the US drew the conclusion that all whites were responsible for black oppression. Despite NAZI fantasies, jewish people were the oppressed ones in Europe and were not responsible for anything that happened to the Germans - the German government had power over German Jews, forced them into smaller and smaller ghettos. For Palestinians it's the same, they have little ability to influence what the US and Israeli policies do to them (or force them into smaller and smaller areas). I'm not saying there's a historical equivalency, just that the hatred that some oppressed people hold towards the people who have power over them is not the same as the hatred the powerful have over the people they oppress.
It may not be good politics and it may be counterproductive and divisive, but anti-black racism and segregation created any anti-white black sentiments in the US; the carving up of land into an apartheid-like situation in Palestinian areas is the source of any modern antisemitic attitudes (when they do exist) taking root among people.
Yeah, not buying it. Having arab friends doesn't mean what you say isn't racist.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
well, I know what you mean, but you can say that about every race.
besides, i am not racist, i hate every race equally
