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*breaking* turkish jet down(ed) near syria
According to dutch news a Turkish military plane has been shot down by syrian air defence, the two pilots have been rescued, if (like turkey claims) the incident happened outside syrian airspace NATO will be forced by its own treaties to consider this an act of war...
Whether provoked, falseflag or a stupidity by a nervous Syrian comander this might very well be the excuse turkey and the rest of nato has been waiting on to get involved military...
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They're feeling Syria out. Getting an idea of how they will respond to aggression. It is kind of like boxing, the opening rounds are more or less to get a feel for how your opponent reacts, not necessarily begin any serious offensive.
Then again, it could be a purposeful provocation. Since now (according to the NATO treaty) Syria can be attacked by NATO nations. After all, Syria "started it".
and as we can see, they dont take kindly to it.
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As more info comes out, it is apparent that the plane shot down was an F-4, which was one of the first-line combat jets of the USAF in the Vietnam era. In today's NATO arsenal, these old "Phantom" jets are mostly retrofitted for electronic intelligence and recon functions. It's highly likely that the mission was to fly at Syria at a high speed, which is done to cause the target nation to turn on all its radars, ECM, ECCM, and air defense communications networks. (It's called "lighting up the christmas tree" in the US military-intelligence system.) The F-4 would then electronically collect and store information on signal types and emitter locations. When analyzed by elint specialists, this data can then be used to draw up a complete model of the Syrian air defense system, which will be the first set of targets in any NATO assault.
The shot down Turkish F-4 was apparently flying at very low altitude, the following YouTube shows an F-4's low altitude performance capabilities:
An F-4... In many respects, Syria was doing Turkey a great favor. Now Turkey has the capacity to buy a more quality fighter.
Turkey has plenty of F-16s. What I bet they don't have a lot of is airborne sigint collection platforms. They'll end up having to buy another RF-4.
if the goal was to actually get that map of syrian air defenses when why wouldnt NATO use something a bit more advanced?
or is this just turkey's deal right now?
FKA Vacant
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Compare the F-4 to a pickup truck and the F-16 to a sportscar sure the F-16 would be better for something that requires speed and maneuverability but if you require a jet that you can attach a fuck-ton of sensor equipment to then the F-4 is better suited for that job.
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Why was the jet in Syrian air space?
I say, they got what was coming
Didn't they just do this to get a reason to attack Syria?
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
The Syrian army is no match for NATO. Adieu Assad
To be fair, I don't think any army is a match for NATO really.
At least not that I can think of.
Is this resistance or a costume party?
Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.
fka Creep
China would probably got a fighting chance...
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Reminds me of The Gulf of Tonkin incident. Nothing new here. As for Syria being no match for NATO I would only suggest you look at what resistance the Iraqi people were up against with the superior American led coalition and how they bogged the invaders down. Even the Afghans have kept the Coalition forces bleeding for some time now.
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Against the whole of NATO ?
I would expect Russia to do better they have advanced technology that would cause real damage to the overconfident NATO forces even in the sorry state they are since the collapse of the USSR.
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Superior armies have been defeated by inferior armies when those men had a cause, had beliefs, had principles.
And now with nuclear weapons its never been easier or more suicidal.
But on the topic of Syria its surprising to me that so far there have been no calls for article 5 of the nato treaty by Turkey.
They made a call for it over the supposed cross border attack but now that they have a much stronger case they are completely silent.
I doubt this can turn out to be a good thing or maybe they are still probing their NATO allies if they would support that.
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Like when Hizbullah sent the 'all powerful' IDF soldiers screaming like little children out of south Lebanon.
What a load of shit. It's about strategy and tactics.
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