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    america has said he must go. he can never reestablish relations with his neighbors. saudi arabia, turkey, etc, are all plotting and supporting his overthrow

    can anyone see a scenario where he can survive?
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    Do you support him?
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    Do you support him?
    i admit i have not followed this story very closely. but as a trotskyist i support all regimes against imperialism.

    as trotsky said he supported the Ethiopia emperor against italy, would support 'facist' brazil against britian, and would support a barbaric monarchy against a 'civilized' imperialist power.

    i play it by the book, and dont pretend to be above trotsky and his analysis.
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    i admit i have not followed this story very closely. but as a trotskyist i support all regimes against imperialism.

    as trotsky said he supported the Ethiopia emperor against italy, would support 'facist' brazil against britian, and would support a barbaric monarchy against a 'civilized' imperialist power.

    i play it by the book, and dont pretend to be above trotsky and his analysis.
    You sir need to be restricted.

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    You sir need to be restricted.
    for being a trotskyist and not supporting imperialism?, and im not gonna watch your gore videos
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    i admit i have not followed this story very closely. but as a trotskyist i support all regimes against imperialism.

    as trotsky said he supported the Ethiopia emperor against italy, would support 'facist' brazil against britian, and would support a barbaric monarchy against a 'civilized' imperialist power.

    i play it by the book, and dont pretend to be above trotsky and his analysis.
    The correct position for a communist is not to take sides in inter-capital disputes.
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    Why does not supporting imperialism mean having to support Assad, though? It seems like a false dilemma. Neither side is correct in this, and the only people I think we should be supporting are the working people who've been dragged into this mess, and others like it internationally.

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    for being a trotskyist and not supporting imperialism?, and im not gonna watch your gore videos
    You might as well be a Stalinist while you're at it, you know the people who support the North Korean feudal dynasty because of anti-imperialism.
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    The correct position for a communist is not to take sides in inter-capital disputes.
    neutrality, as trotsky said, is tantamount to support for imperialism
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    To answer the question posed in the OP, though, I don't think there's much chance for Assad at this point. Turkey is hosting an armed movement on the border, there have been recent large demonstrations in even formerly stalwart regime strongholds like Aleppo, and there is signs that Russia may be ready to jump ship if a better alternative to Assad comes along. Iran will jump ship as well if it becomes clear that Assad's goose is cooked.

    neutrality, as trotsky said, is tantamount to support for imperialism
    Trotsky was wrong.
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    Why does not supporting imperialism mean having to support Assad, though? It seems like a false dilemma. Neither side is correct in this, and the only people I think we should be supporting are the working people who've been dragged into this mess, and others like it internationally.
    you can read some trotsky, agree with it or not is your choice.
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    and there is signs that Russia may be ready to jump ship if a better alternative to Assad comes along.
    This seems apparent as Russia is establishing relations with the Syrian opposition. And if so, Syria will be fucked as they'll lose their biggest ally and no one will stop the Security Council from intervening. U.S. troops already training in Jordan to get ready for another invasion.
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    neutrality, as trotsky said, is tantamount to support for imperialism
    Well fuck Trotsky then. If I have to pick between supporting a capitalist regime murdering its citizens and a capitalist regime supporting other countries' citizens I might as well support imperialism.
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    Holy shit, I have to break character and just say:

    Some of you people are the most chauvanist pro-imperialist "leftists" i've ever seen.
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    Holy shit, I have to break character and just say:

    Some of you people are the most chauvanist pro-imperialist "leftists" i've ever seen.
    Expand, perhaps?
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    Holy shit, I have to break character and just say:

    Some of you people are the most chauvanist pro-imperialist "leftists" i've ever seen.
    Because true leftists take sides in capitalist conflicts and give their support to capitalist regimes.
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    capitalist conflicts! NO! STATE CAPITALIST CONFLICTS!

    the dear leader Tony Cliff once wrote about this, you should educate yourself.
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    capitalist conflicts! NO! STATE CAPITALIST CONFLICTS!

    the dear leader Tony Cliff once wrote about this, you should educate yourself.
    Ranting about a forgotten and frankly minor 20th century socialist thinker and yelling at others to educate themselves is not an analysis or a good way of helping your convictions gain traction in the minds of others.
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    How dare you call Cliff forgotten and minor! He is the only leftist that can lead us away from totalitarianism and state capitalism.
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    Assad is worthless, but I look at the people of Syria as worthy. This civil war is going to achieve absolutely nothing unless a leftist group seizes power, however the revolt seems more on the basis of Sectarianism rather than Tyranny. Syria was actually a peaceful place, with relative freedom, prior to this insurgency, so claims of Tyranny is just complete rhetoric. I frankly don't give a care if a Sharia or Bourgeois state replaces Assad, but I will not stand for a Civil War. Especially not in a country with the density of Syria.

    I feel bad for those who are being massacred, of course, but there is a point that Syria is in the middle of many upheavals, and often mistakes are committed by self-righteous soldiers. I read a report that the recent massacre was due to the religion of those who were killed, and it was run by soldiers who were fervent Alawites and wasn't sponsored by the government.

    Also, if Syria goes down, you can watch standard of living to plummet for the next decade, as is a trait of such geopolitical mayhem.
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