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Why does everyone put down the CPUSA
It seems like alot of People put down and disrespect the CPSUSA thinking there not Socialists and Communists because of their short term goals.. The thing is the USA is soooo Capitalistic and Right Wing that you gotta be real instead of "revolutionary".. Joseph Stalin told the CPUSA to infiltrate the Democratic Party and Vote Democratic to change it from the inside.. instead of being armchair revolutionarys they are actually real and in reality.. this isnt the 18th century where revolution was possible.. the Government has all the best weapons and this is a very different world then what it used to be.. therefore revolution is impossible other than changing it at the voting booth.. they are very much still Socialists and Communists its just they realize things have changed and thats why they have short term goals that way when the short term goals have been achieved then they can change things.. it seems like people here want a party that just hangs out in a resturant and spouts Revolution and then does nothing.. there not like that.. unlike a few armchair revolutionarys they actually live in the real world.. So the CPUSA is still very much Red and it has the most Members of any Communist Party in the USA and they use their logic and reason.. instead of spouting stupid things that wont work
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Yeah, the Communist Party is still red because it has the biggest membership and doesn't spout stupid shit that doesn't work...like erm...communism?
How long til this one gets restricted?
Don't restrict him yet pleaseMy popcorn is not ready.
The CPUSA is just such an easy target for communists, but in the end their politics aren´t any worse than that of most reformist left parties who claim to be communist or socialist.
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Mainly because they are reformist democrats but there are many other reasons as well.
Thread deja vu man.
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I have to disagree with you there. There are a couple social democratic reformist parties in the the United States that are actually marginally better than the CPUSA. The Socialist Party, USA and the Peace and Freedom Party, for example, both call for a break with the Democratic Party.
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Why would I get restricted? its just a question.. is that how this works? I thought they didnt allow Fascists on here... yet it seems like there are alot of fascists on here if I cant ask a simple question... if thats the way it is I will go somewhere else.. oh and if I do get restricted for some stupid reason i will just open up another account... but really restricting? for what? thats very fascistic
why would I be restricted? thats stupid.. all because im asking a question?.. I thought they didnt allow fascists on here?.. yet im getting suggestions that i might be restricted.. thats fascistic... if I do get restricted I will just make a new profile .. but really thats just stupid.. if thats the way it is I will just go somewhere eelse and make a new profile
Yes the CPUSA chose the Democrats and consequentially not embarassing the Dixiecrats over anti-racist struggle and trying to unionize the South. Their pre-WWII work in building up a multi-ethnic struggle against black racism was a high-water point for American M-L and the CP threw it away when the Comintern decided Russia's post-war international dealings with the US were more important than local class struggles.
Thinking you can "infiltrate" a tool of the rich such as the Democratic Party is like a remora sucker-fish under a shark's fin fooling himself into thinking he's leading the shark, not the other way around. And so how did the CP's "infiltration" go? Well first they cheered when the Democrats repressed Trotskyist groups and then the CPers quickly found themselves in front of hostile politicians denouncing them while Feds went to their jobs to intimidate their allies at work. Maybe if the CP hadn't first burned all their bridges with other forces in the workers movement, then if they hadn't secondarily lost credibility by then ditching their independence for popular-frontism, then maybe they would have still had some allies when the hammer came down on the US radical left after WWII.
Not only were the CP mistaken, but these mistakes had lasting impacts for revolutionaries and the working class movement. The one organization really making inroads drawing together the anti-racist struggle and the class struggle ends up throwing anti-racism under the bus and discrediting Communism as a viable way to fight racism until basically the Black Panthers came along. The Union movement was able to use McCarthyism to push out not only CP but all radicals and a wedge was put between radical politics and the class struggle - a wedge that is only now beginning to loosen.
When people began to radicalize again, the CP was totally discredited and so most turned to nationalism or maoism in the 1960s/70s. Even now, where do you think the knee-jerk skepticism of "Vanguard" organizations or the seriousness of revolutionaries comes from or even having organizations at all? The CP didn't just make mistakes, they (and the rest of the left that tied themselves to Russia or China rather than class struggle) ended up salting the earth for future generations of radicals.
Last edited by Jimmie Higgins; 25th May 2012 at 19:17.
The CPUSA is pretty pathetic to be honest. If I had to work with a reformist party I'd work with the SPUSA which is much better than the CPUSA
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I see you haven't beat idiots in the head with that sack of door knobs. Get to work slack ass.
The CPUSA from everything I've seen was once a legitimately radical party but allowed its alliance with the USSR to undermine both its power and credibility as a working class organization.
They have a cool take on the hammer and sickle though
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The CPUSA in the distant past were a genuine worker's party. That time is long gone. They are communist in name only. They're democrats dressed up as Stalinists dressed up as Marxists.
as far as persecuting trotskyites I dont really care about that.. actually I think they should have done that to the trotskyites because there not really Marxist Leninist and reformism is more realistic then "revolution".. if you wanna be a revolutionary thats fine but if your just sitting around talking about revolution and passing newspapers around then your not a revolutionary... to me the russian revolution was revolutionary sitting around and being armchair revolutionaries isnt revolutionary at all.. im a reformist because I realize revolution will never happen in this day and age
I advocate peace not revolution.. there is a better and peaceful way
You realize that the CPUSA actively campaigns for Obama when they should be going around, doing outreach with workers, and building class consciousness, right?
Reformism isn't realistic at all, you're simply choosing your next oppressor.
Because the CPUSA is mostly "communist in name only."
Their praxis ultimately centers around supporting the Democrats under this notion that if the GOP wins or something "the US will fall to fascism!1111! ZOMG!1!" when, under closer observation, the post-9/11 democrats are not skittish at passing laws and enacting policies that differ from the GOP in this respect ("tespass law," indifinate detention, drones in the sky, etc) or do much for the benefit of the working class,
Basically, the fall into the liberal trap of "lesser of 2 evils;" they're nothing more than red-dressed liberals/democrats.
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The CPUSA of today is the not party that emerged from the amalgamation of the Communist Labor Party and the Communist Party of America in 1921. Its militant period lasted from then until WWII after which it steadily moved in a reformist direction so that by today it's a social democratic party that tails the Democratic Party for all intents and purposes.
Peaceful revolutions have never, not once, in history, worked. The bourgeoisie aren't going to allow the working class to simply slip in some reforms and then take over, that is pure idealism. In fact, most dramatic reforms, even in America, have been the result of violent pressure from the working class. You're view of the Russian revolution is simply inaccurate and an insult to all those comrades whom gave their lives, their blood, their limbs, etc. to overthrow the Tsar and his allies. How about you stop listening to John Lennon and start reading some Marx and Lenin.
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