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    Well the Polish government was herding jews into ghettos before the Nazis arrived so there will be those who identify with that legacy.
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    Thats actually is completely not true, don't know where do you get your "facts" from.
    Polish government before the war was deeply authoritarian and rounding up a lot of political enemies of all sorts and holding them in prisons, but was never "herding Jews into ghettos".
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    Thats actually is completely not true, don't know where do you get your "facts" from.
    Polish government before the war was deeply authoritarian and rounding up a lot of political enemies of all sorts and holding them in prisons, but was never "herding Jews into ghettos".
    Yeah tbh I don't know where I got that from.
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    Sorry mate, it is absolutely not true. Check your sources better in future
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    Tell me about it I'm polish and based on my personal experience I can say that it is pretty dodgy. I've never met so much hostility towards communism anywhere else. Well, unfortunately the way the polish people see communism is mainly the "stalinist way". Hard to blame them for trying to keep away from it. A bit more awareness wouldn't hurt anyone.
    That's understandable - Stalin's rule in Poland was monstrous - but the thing is that the Nazis were far worse than Stalin (The Soviets seldom targeted women and children, while conversely the Nazis usually killed everything that moved). When you look at accounts of the enslavement of Poles, of the Warsaw uprising, when the Nazis executed 30,000 civilians in 2 days, gang raping women and girls before shooting them, it's all the more mind boggling:

    They entered Ochota, a southwesterly neighborhood of Warsaw, on 9 August 1944. Over the course of the next ten days, they concentrated on theft, but also killed several thousand Polish civilians. As one of Kaminskii’s officers recalled, “Mass executions of civilians without investigation were the order of the day.” The soldiers also became known for systematic rape. They burned down the hospital of the Marie Curie Institute, killing everyone inside, but scrupulously raped the nurses ahead of time...

    Reinefarth received an extraordinary three-part order from Himmler: all Polish combatants were to be shot; all Polish noncombatants, including women and children, were also to be shot; and the city itself was to be razed to the ground. The police formations and the SS Special Commando Dirlewanger carried out these orders to the letter on 5 and 6 August 1944, shooting some forty thousand civilians in the course of those two days alone. .... They lifted the Home Army’s barricades on Wola Street by marching Poles in front of them and forcing them to do the work, using women and children as human shields in the meantime, and raping some of the women. As they moved west they destroyed each and every building, one by one, using gasoline and hand grenades. Wola Street ran just south of the terrain that had been the ghetto, and indeed through some of its most southerly extremes, so their work of destruction brought an adjoining neighborhood to ruins.....

    The massacres in Wola had nothing in common with combat. The Germans lost six dead and killed about twenty Home Army soldiers while murdering at least thirty thousand people. The ratio of civilian to military dead was more than a thousand to one, even if military casualties on both sides are counted. .... When the Germans took the Old Town, they killed seven thousand wounded in field hospitals by gunfire and flamethrowers. Some thirty thousand civilians would be killed in the Old Town before the uprising was over. (q.v. T. Snyder, Bloodlands)

    FFS, don't they teach this in Polish schools?
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    FFS, don't they teach this in Polish schools?
    And if they did, how would it change anything? I`d wager neo-Nazism is a pretty niche brand of far-right sentiment in Poland anyway. One doesn`t have to admire Hitler to be a reactionary zealot.
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    The far-right has it's sectarianism too it's basically like this:

    The far left: Sectarianism - because of different ideological lines.

    The far right: (I am mostly talking about Fascists and Nazis here.) Sectarianism - because of the different nationalities.

    Their equivalent of MLs vs Trotskyists = German and Russian Nazis, the German Nazis consider the Russians to be 'untermensch' the Russian Nazis consider the Slavs to be the 'race of the future, the supreme race' etc etc.

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