Yes, they should but hip pop is a societal norm. Nowadays
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appearance/subculture based discrimination
i'm speaking primarily of those who belong to a subculture that has a style of dress which is contrary to the societal norm (punk, metal, hip-hop, hippie etc.) do you believe they have the right to be treated fairly despite the way they look, or are they "just asking for it"?
Yes, they should but hip pop is a societal norm. Nowadays
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Mistakingly El Uso Rojo- the use red, i meant to spell Oso.
I think you are asking for it. Of course they should be treated fairly. What exactly do you want to discuss?
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
It's only a problem if you're going to a job interview..
I thought it was the raison detre of punk to "ask for it", if you will.
Man, people who compare being picked on for their clothes to the discrimination endured by oppressed groups, really fucking disgust me.
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Obviously they should be treated fairly.
Also, I obviously wouldn't say that the difficulties subculturally identified individuals face is anything like the systematic oppression endured by people of color, by women, by LGBT people, etc., but it is not totally inconsequential either. Subcultural identification does have negative effects in class society.
Sure people have the right to dress how they want, but I have the right to tell them they look ridiculous and attention seeking. Discrimination against race or sex is too important for us to be squabbling about discrimination against vampire people.
If I walked around with a dildo hat, I wouldn't cry when people stare and laugh. Also, how could that type of discrimination even be combatted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerG4c6QpTA
Ehhh
I don't have much of an opinion...
Although I dislike Jugallos
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Reactionary lumpen?
I choose the first one. This is a stupid question.
I expect to be "discriminated" against because I dress the way I do but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to me.
Freedom before Peace
I sometimes feel like I'm being discriminated against by other leftists because I don't dress in black.
just to clarify, i meant this thread to be about REAL discrimination (i.e. cops singling you out, using your appearance as probable cause etc) and not petty little "point and stare, make rude comments" type actions.
Are women who dress a certain way "just asking for it"? (it meaning rape)
You're going to get made fun of for one thing or another eventually in life. That is part of growing up. It isn't some horrific form of discrimination that can't be dealt with. Not everything is a big enough deal to cry over. Shut up, wear what you want, and don't be shocked if you get made fun of because it happens to everyone eventually no matter how you dress or act. Grow up and deal with it.
I think that subcultures and eccentric dressers have defined themselves by stepping out of the norm and, furthermore, they want people to see that. If no one looked at them strangely or just thought it was normal, then I would venture to guess that the dress and/or subculture would become useless to them. It may be ironic but I think subcultures thrive on discrimination/judgmental perceptions of them and that is its very lifeline because of what I've described above.
This should be obvious.
I'd rather fight for groups that are actually oppressed than for a few teens that think dressing like Dracula is a good idea.
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While I largely agree with cmoney and others in this thread, it's important to note that abuse towards members of a given subculture is very often driven by homophobia, sexism, and racism. Much of the derision toward hip-hop culture is riddled with racism, just like calling an emo kid a "pussy" is an expression of homophobia and sexism.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
This is by choice, a person facing racism/homophobia..etc. doesn't have this option.
That makes it more acceptable?
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