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You forgot to mention the Turkish National Movement Party, which has 53 seats in Parliament along with 506 municipality seats. Unlike in Greece, there is no strong Socialist movement to counter the Turkish Fascist movement.
I read that the Jewish community in Greece is becoming wary of future political developments in the country. They've said that Golden Dawn hasn't really come out against them, rather Golden Dawn has used most of its rhetoric against immigrants. Golden Dawn has said that they plan to set up landmines on the Turkish border to quell immigration, and other radical anti-immigration policies.
Still, the uncertainty of Greece could eventually lead to be a Fascist state.
While the rise of nationalist and fascist thugs in Greece and Europe is definitely deplorable, the most revolutionary state, Greece, has had its people just now show that they want a left solution to this crisis, with leftist party SYRIZA having gained the most this election, compared to the right.
What concerns me is the north south division in Europe. In Switzerland Mosques have been made illegal by direct democratic vote and Austria's FPÖ has a neo-nazi as a head. But the vast vast majority of people in my region, which is southern Bavaria and Austria; are not fascists etc., not even nationalists i would say, they are merely reacting to the boulevard and hype propaganda to the flourishing state of this region. People have lived quite well in these "new age" nationalist sectors of the north, and when a crisis comes, this clouded decision (so i believe) will definitely be smashed. At the moment social-chauvinist comments such as "The Lazy Greeks" "ignorant Turks" etc. are leisurely societally accepted; but believe me, when this region that has flourished so long falls, people will gain consciousness that it was NOT the "lazy greeks" "PIG countries". When the most reactionary media try to act as if the people are at fault or need to "bring sacrifices" (such as Merkel already said recently) then people will begin to see the System is Against Them, not only Them, but THEM As a Class!
Given that we are steadily experiencing more and more difficult situations in Europe (and the world) Fascism is not such a threat as with the sudden and complete shocking crash of 1929 and 30's. The slower this steadily degrading situation continues; the deeper the seed of class consciousness is planted.
"It is necessary for Communists to enter into contradiction with the consciousness of the masses. . . The problem with these Transitional programs and transitional demands, which don't enter into any contradiction with the consciousness of the masses, or try to trick the masses into entering into the class struggle, create soviets - [is that] it winds up as common-or-garden reformism or economism." - Mike Macnair, on the necessity of the Minimum and Maximum communist party Program.
"You're lucky. You have a faith. Even if it's only Karl Marx" - Richard Burton
Usually when the extreme-right gains popularity, so too does the left. The two extremes often rise together because extreme situations often require extreme solutions and it could go either way, just as it happened in Germany. Is the rise of Fascism and the extreme right a concern? Yes. Is it surprising? No. Is the left also on the rise? Yes.
In the present situation the leftist parties of Europe must do all they can to push the balance in their favour, discredit and destroy the fascist movement, strengthen the party and the vanguard, and clear out all of the filth. It would be a huge mistake to underestimate or ignore the rise of fascism as some on the left like to do.
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The Progress Party has been around for quite some time.
When I was a student in the late 1980s/early 1990s, one of the guys I shared student accommodation with, was a Norwegian, who had come to do his course in the UK.
He told me about the Progress Party, and how it was to the right. From what he told me, it was at that time, more concerned with people having "choice" in healthcare and so on. Another word for privatization, you might say. He was quite a disciplined and patriotic guy, and had done his two-year stint in the Norwegian armed services. This is compulsory for Norwegians (and the equivalent to the (now defunct) UK 'National Service'). People can choose to work on social or community projects instead, though, if they want.
What the policies and character of the Progress Party are now, I couldn't say. But if it has shifted rightwards from the time I was at university, it's as well to keep an eye on it.
Charity is a woefully inadequate means of partial restitution
Oscar Wilde, from his essay 'The Soul of Man Under Socialism'
As posted in the other gd thread:
courtesy of "occupiedlondon"
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
LOL at the BNP being on this list. The far-right in this country just got stepped on and squashed. BNP lost all of its councillors and saw absolutely no overall gain in vote.
BFP also saw no more than 50 votes per candidate. The far-right is not electable in the UK IMO, but they will resort to street movements like the EDL, which has given the far right a bit more confidence in coming out, since we've seen a rise in NF demos.
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Yep.
There was a picture somewhere, of Griffin looking haggered as fuck, as his scumbag councillors were flung out of office on their arses lol.
Charity is a woefully inadequate means of partial restitution
Oscar Wilde, from his essay 'The Soul of Man Under Socialism'
EDL demos have been decreasing in size and social effect for some time now, at the moment the far right is in check.
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
Whilst they maybe decreasing in size, the numbers have been pulled elsewhere, like the NWI, NF and 'CxF'. The in-fighting hasn't pushed them away from the far-right, only splintered it.
They're still holding frequent demos, but have increased flash demos, therefore grown in confidence.
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zeekloid - I watch it for the character development.
Couple problems with this, comrade.
This seems to be economism; the economic crisis hasn't really helped communism at all. Or if it has, it's only been terms of microscopic gains. It takes more than that economic forces to build class consciousness to any significant degree, you need to have a party which is willing to pose itself as an alternative to the current political order. The left is too divided into insignificant sects to do this at the moment, and many left organizations are economist in nature, not willing to put themselves forward as champions in the workers' political struggle. Revolutionary sloganeering isn't a credible alternative to the workers, they demand representation now, not in some abstract, off-in-the-future revolution. If the communist parties are not willing compose themselves as the class-for-itself, then the fascists are all too willing to co-opt the workers' anger. Leftists organizations aren't willing to actually engage the workers, provide them with aid in their daily struggles. The fascists are willing to fill in the gap here and provide food aid and other forms of involvement with the workers which the left should be doing.
While beating up some fascists is always commendable, the anarchists and other economists aren't willing to pose themselves as alternate source of political authority. This is why the fascists are gaining and why the left is stagnating.
You say the Greeks want a left solution to the crisis, but this demand is being filled in by reformists because the actual far-left isn't interested in composing itself as this alternate political authority; or to the degree that they are(like the KKE), the succumb to coalitionism and popular frontism which leads to reformism. The idea that the economic crisis is going to deliver the workers to the communists on a silver platter is just wishful thinking, really.
Like many have said,we dont really have an issue with the BNP and EDL in the UK at the moment,although the rise of GD and Le Penn etc doesnt bode well in my opinion for the future of europe.....
yeah and that seems to have made all the splinter groups pretty impotent, dunno, maybe they'll spring back but it doesn't seem very likely.
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
Not really likely, no. But nonetheless they've come out more often in recent years, and the EDL provided that confidence for them to come out. They're frequent and some adopted flash demonstrations, which says something about the far-right.
It's not a large scale threat, I understand and allow me to put that straight. However, electorally, I don't think the far-right is electable in this country, it does appear the nation is literally centrist sometimes leans to the right, other times to the left.
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Nothing surprising here comrades.
History has shown us that people support fascism when socialism is on the rise or when it fails for that matter.
When times are going bad economically (as they are in Greece) people elect radical leftists to fix things. Others see whats happening and elect radical rightists to counter them. Happened over and over again in European history ie Mussolini and Hitler.
"It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. " - Buenaventura Durutti
"The life of a single human being is worth a million times more than all the property of the richest man on earth." - Ernesto Che Guevara.
"Its Called the American dream, because you gotta be asleep to believe it". - George Carlin
Tone ~ Emmet ~ Larkin ~ Connolly ~ O Donnell
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The main difference here is that Nick Griffin and his members are complete morons.Le Penn's crowd are a different bunch of animals. They act professionaly and slay professionally.
"It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. " - Buenaventura Durutti
"The life of a single human being is worth a million times more than all the property of the richest man on earth." - Ernesto Che Guevara.
"Its Called the American dream, because you gotta be asleep to believe it". - George Carlin
Tone ~ Emmet ~ Larkin ~ Connolly ~ O Donnell
www.union.ie
Dont know if u seen this. The bonehead is making them all stand up for the entry of the party leader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx0Xm...layer_embedded
Everyone who has read any history knows why this happens.. Fascism has always been a part of capitalism, thats an undeniable fact. Now you have the capital supporting the fascist/nazi groups all over Europe..
Then you have the second part of the problem and that is the modern left. Leftist parties here in Europe have all but abandoned the working class. Most of their support now comes from the liberal university teenagers.
Both of this problems create an environment for the far-right to grow. Europe needs a militant antifa movement that is willing to talk about the class issues at hand and then to smash the fascists physically if needed.
“To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.”
Here is a video and news report, of how the newly-opened offices of Golden dawn, were greeted by anarchist activists.
The nazis had their offices trashed:
http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/...road-daylight/
Charity is a woefully inadequate means of partial restitution
Oscar Wilde, from his essay 'The Soul of Man Under Socialism'
We need a militant socialist workers movement. Not an explicit "antifa movement".
We need to build a new workers movement, that will create a concrete choice for the working class. A movement that focuses on the class struggle and not smaller questions like antifascism, feminism, environment, sexism, etc. These questions will never build a workers movement, no matter how important these questions may seem to be.
This is hard work and not romantic in any way, but it has to be done.
Dont worrie this voters are possible some rednecks who dont know histroy,the socialists will win,
But i still dont get it,can some one pleas tell me this:
Im an slovan,and we have many nazi people here,i dont get them,we were on hitlers: what to kill list,and some people still worship that naz bowl,and same is with france they will under nazi as well. So can someone pleas tell me why do people still believe in Nazism,fascism
but if fascist will win we can still all be partisans then yeey
A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.
