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Greece election results coming in ... ND possibly 1st, SYRIZA doing well
It seems SYRIZA is doing better than most people were expecting a few weeks ago, ND and PASOK got whupped hardcore. It seems we will have to wait for more results to see how the other parties like KKE, DL, Gold Dawn etc did.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17975370
Greek main parties 'suffer big losses' at polls
Exit polls in the Greek parliamentary election suggest the two main parties have suffered big losses.
The polls, televised across Greece, put the centre-right New Democracy party in the lead with 17-20% of the vote.
Syriza, a coalition of left-wing parties, is put just in second place with centre-left Pasok third.
Pasok and New Democracy have been in coalition since last November and were expected to lose support to anti-austerity candidates.
There is widespread anger across Greece to harsh measures imposed by the government in return for international bailouts.
The exit polls, televised nationally, showed New Democracy with 17-20%; Syriza on 15.5-18.5% and Pasok in third place with 14-17%.
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i'm just hoping for a really low turnout, sickened to hear it might be as high as 80% in france
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Why would you hope for a low turnout?
because at worst it suggests apathy towards (bourgeois) politics (no bad thing), at best it suggests utter hatred.
why would you hope for a high turnout? that's much more puzzling.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
Nazis got into parliament.
Because you'd think by now that the Greeks would get, you know, that parliamentary elections don't do shit and no matter who you elect it's gonna be the same bullshit. Marx said elections prove certain consciousness, whether it be Socialist, Liberal or Otherwise. Turn that on its head and you see when nobody votes for political reasons it represents a certain consciousness.
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I have also posted the EXIT poll in the Greece section. Yeah, the nazis get in the parliament. SYRIZA sucks, they want Greece to be in the EU and they are like to govern with PASOK, so Greeks again are gonna eat shit for ONCE AGAIN.
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this, except we don't know whether people have consciously made a "political" decision not to vote
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
If that result for SYRIZA is correct it's a massive jump in support for them, hopefully the revolutionary sections have gained rather than the social-democratic.
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Leaving the EU is hardly an alternative.
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It's the only solution for Greece to be free of capitalism!All these "leftist" parties (SYRIZA,DIMAR,PASOK) want Greece in EU but they promise to get the country out of the mnemonium!NO !
With exception to the bourgeois, I think everyone who refuses to vote is because they recognize "voting doesn't affect me"/"voting won't change anything" which is a communist consciousness in and of itself, while it may not be as developed as "Voting won't do anything because since World War 1 Capitalism has been a decadent system blah blah".
Make no mistake: The organization of the working class must be both economic and political. The capitalist is organized upon both lines. You must attack him on both.
Daniel De Leon
The most important word in the language of the working class is solidarity.
Harry Bridges
My Blog:
http://autonomousworkers.wordpress.com/
yes, of course, because capitalism only exists because of the eu.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
It would mean a certain complete bankruptcy and meltdown of society. In a way you're right: It would indeed mean the end of capitalism, but in the sense of a complete disintegration of society.
Hardly a way forward.
What we need is class action on a continental level to pose continentalwide alternatives. This is, at the very least, necessary to start to pose positive alternatives to capitalism.
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If socialism is to be a success, the revolution must be continental and start throughout most/all of Europe (or another continent for that matter). I am moderately, and critically pro-EU for this reason. It integrates the political scenes and economies of Europe, thus bring the people closer together. A revolution is more likely to spread throughout Europe when it's more united as opposed when it is independent nation-states.
SYRIZA may get 15-18 percent, in addition to the KKE with 10 percent is 25-28 percent for the communists. While SYRIZA is not really revolutionary, it is a step in the right direction.
EDIT:
Disappointing results for the KKE, between 9-12 percent in polls, but reports say only 7.5-9 percent in the election.
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There's a whole host of other reasons for not showing up and failing to vote. I think you're just hoisting your predetermined opinion on people who hold a wide variety of views.
And even then, "voting won't change anything" doesn't express anything like a communist consciousness since it is entirely negative, and doesn't put the basic boss to worker relationship into question.
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According to the polls I'm seeing, this party got in. That's pretty fucking bad, and I think that this is especially notable in Greece, where the global economic crisis is hitting hardest right now. When the economic crisis worsens in other areas, we might see this same result, unfortunately.
"It is not history which uses men as a means of achieving - as if it were an individual person - its own ends. History is nothing but the activity of men in pursuit of their ends."
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this, but what can we expect? the kke only see national solutions for international issues.
Until now, the left has only managed capital in various ways; the point, however, is to destroy it.
No didn't say that, but EU is also a reason for capitalism in Greece.
I may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, but how can the EU be a reason for capitalism in Greece when Greece was capitalist before 1981?
