Osama bin Laden

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Seeing that it was recently the first-year anniversary of the raid in Pakistan that successfully killed Osama bin Laden, I have been wanting to create a thread about the issue. Well, here it is.

I have two central questions:

1. Do you support the killing of Osama bin Laden? Explain your position, please. Talk about all the related topics (i.e. torture of terrorists) you feel need to be addressed in the discussion. Don't hold back, because I am very curious about what you guys all think.

2. If your nation becomes a dictatorship of the proletariat after a socialist revolution, but the rest of the world has not yet joined you in socialist revolution (let's all pretend that we believe in socialism in one country, just for this one exercise) and your major cities begin being endlessly attacked by foreign terrorists, what would you do?

Well, that's about it. If you feel like you want to add anything else related to the topic into the discussion, knock yourself out.

I have yet to formulate my own opinion on the second issue, but I do agree with the killing of Osama bin Laden. I actually did lose some family members on September 11th (I don't really remember them that well, except for my aunt), so last September, I actually went back to my home city of New York City with an American flag (I am not ashamed; it was a very emotional moment for me and my family) to pay my respects at Ground Zero.

So, yay, you heard my little sob story, now please discuss.

[#FF0000]

I'm p. much ambivalent

[Ostrinski]

I don't really have an opinion, but I voted yes anyway. Certainly no one's shedding any tears.

[#FF0000]

oh great we got osama at the cost of the lives of hundreds of thousands of workers lol

[Manic Impressive]

I don't support state sanctioned murder

[Comrade Samuel]

oh great we got osama at the cost of the lives of hundreds of thousands of workers lol

If they had let him live he would of continued to plot to kill as many people in the west as possible and he dident only want the ruling class ones either.

Either way you look at this the workers are getting the bad end of this war so there's hardly much room to work with when you want us to discuss it.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I don't support state sanctioned murder

I don't support terrorism.

[Manic Impressive]

I don't support terrorism.

I never said you did and neither do I. But not supporting terrorism =/= State sanctioned murder. I'm against the death penalty, I'm even more opposed to the death penalty without a trial.

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

Me and Work-Control-Over-Prod had a conversation about this yesterday, ironically.

1) Yes, I support the killing of UBL. He's responsible for the deaths of many innocent civilians. He's also a religious fanatic, and anti-Semite. He oppressed women, and anyone who disagreed with him.

2) I would indeed sanction the assassination against anyone who wanted to harm the people of our society. I can't let people murder my fellow comrades without avenging them. Additionally, a socialist society, not state, wouldn't have a reason to be attacked by any terrorists.

That's my opinion.

[#FF0000]

If they had let him live he would of continued to plot to kill as many people in the west as possible and he dident only want the ruling class ones either.

More civilians died from American bombs in the 'war on terror' than osama bin laden could have ever hoped to have killed in his entire life.

[#FF0000]

1) Yes, I support the killing of UBL. He's responsible for the deaths of many innocent civilians. He's also a religious fanatic, and anti-Semite. He oppressed women, and anyone who disagreed with him.

unlike the us army lol

[Yazman]

It blows my mind people would vote yes. Regardless of what he may or may not have been responsible for, there should always be a trial. Always. Justice was not done when Osama bin Laden was killed.

[#FF0000]

It blows my mind people would vote yes. Regardless of what he may or may not have been responsible for, there should always be a trial. Always. Justice was not done when Osama bin Laden was killed.

yo even that is a dumb thing, i think.

what, we're a bunch of communists who have faith in the existing institutions? really now?

[roy]

1. idk if killing him has yielded a more positive outcome than the situation that would exist if he was alive today. it seems he was more figurehead than mastermind by that stage, and now he's a martyr. anyway, i'm definitely not sad that he's dead. i'm more concerned about the civilians/workers killed as a result of the war.

2. i would try not to get killed by said terrorists

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

unlike the us army lol

Did I say I supported the Army, NATO, or ISAF? Please, don't put words in my mouth. If I'd want to get rid of the causes of death and destruction, why would I give the main contributors sanctuary?

[Manic Impressive]

yo even that is a dumb thing, i think.

what, we're a bunch of communists who have faith in the existing institutions? really now?

cop pulls you over and pulls a bag off weed out his own pocket and says it's yours.

Would you want a trial?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

1. Even if he did have a trial, he would have just been made to wait and be interrogated at Guantanamo, which would have been more painful, and he still would have still been killed, except that in this scenario, he would have been executed instead of being killed in a way that allowed him to enjoy his dignity down to the last second.

2. Nobody is answering the other part of my question!

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

How can any leftist support a bloody imperialist state killing anyone? OBL was an amateur at death and destruction compared to the American state in particular and global capitalism in general.

[#FF0000]

cop pulls you over and pulls a bag off weed out his own pocket and says it's yours.

Would you want a trial?

Sure would but that doesn't mean I'm about to sing the praises of, or even have any sort of faith in, the American criminal justice system.

Did I say I supported the Army, NATO, or ISAF? Please, don't put words in my mouth.

So who do you think should've killed him then? Y'all are acting like all of this exists in a vacuum or some shit.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

2. If your nation becomes a dictatorship of the proletariat after a socialist revolution, but the rest of the world has not yet joined you in socialist revolution (let's all pretend that we believe in socialism in one country, just for this one exercise) and your major cities begin being endlessly attacked by foreign terrorists, what would you do?

I sort of want to know what you would do, especially if you find the action that was taken wrong.