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To address your first paragraph, what I was trying to get to was that the acceptance for love of a transwoman is a sexual preference. I know it is not a sexual orientation or an extension of one. I thought that you were denying the fact that that kind of love is a sexual preference.
To address your last paragraph, I was talking about the last paragraph from your post which I did not bold that pretty much took my opinions verbatim and skewed them slightly to make me sound like an asshole.
Sure it's a sexual preference, a sexual preference for women. There shouldn't be a need for a distinction between women and transwomen unless you don't think a transwoman is a woman.
Maybe you interpret it that way, but it is directed at everyone that voted no.
How is it conservative if conservatives will not even accept transsexuals, but I will wholeheartedly? How is it discriminatory if I said repeatedly that I stand for the absolute equal rights of all oppressed sexualities? I am not conservative or discriminatory simply because I am not willing to have a relationship with a transsexual (which is my choice), or because I take genetics (chromosomes would be absolute in deciding gender, but not useful for picking a partner) to be supreme to whatever someone wants to call themselves and change themselves into. Yet, that does not mean that if I meet a transwoman, that I will keep on calling her a "him" against her wishes, nor will I treat her differently than any other human being. I just want it to be known what I define gender as. The End.
Singling out a whole group of women like that qualifies as discrimination. It's like saying you wouldn't date a black or latino woman. The end.
And no, chromosomes don't decide gender. That certainly is a conservative view.
I'm done. That's it. If you want to hold on to your fantasy that I am a discriminatory conservative while also being a revolutionary leftist, then that is your fucking problem.
And that last sentence was full of so much bullshit that I laughed the cereal I was eating out of my mouth. A scientific view is conservative? That's pretty fucking funny. Show me how it is not scientific and I will change my mind.
And like I have said in the different thread, I do not think transwomen should be put in a different social category. I am simply talking about my own private opinion on gender. In society, transwomen should not be treated as men and the law should reflect that.
You realize that all of revleft agrees with me right
Ohhhhhhhhh, an argument automatically becomes correct when a majority believes in it? A majority of Americans think communism is just taking people's money away and killing them. It is a majority, thus they must be correct! Please show me real evidence that I am wrong instead of making a bullshit argumentum ad populum. I will welcome any real challenge that uses actual evidence.
meh. I'll leave it up to someone else
Sweet jesus, aside from the fact that you are mixing gender and sex (and still calling transmen 'she' and vice versa), just having two chromosomes doesn't necessarily mean you will be born with female genitalia and vice versa. Aside from someone telling you, how ther hell would you be able to tell if someone is trans post-op?
Well, I explained some more of my opinions in the other thread about this issue. I rather not speak of it anymore. All I know is that if I know someone is transsexual, then I will not have a romantic or sexual relationship with that person. If I don't know, then I'm fucked.
how is it scientific to say that transwomen somehow arent good enough for your little prepubescent dick becuz of chromosomes?
Trouble is it's pretty hard for you to stand for "absolute equal rights" of transsexuals and support solidarity with them when you at the same time deny that a transwoman is even a woman
Oh, the old adage: "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." I feel that's applicable in this thread, certainly...
Yeah, you're inherent heterosexuality might be corrupted in this way.
To answer OP, the first assumption of course is that I like the person as a person.
Then, when speaking about post-op transsexual women (in fact, women), I'd say yes though one thing is actually bothering me in this hypothetical scenario. I'd probably feel awkward if we enaged in sexual intercourse with her being unable to climax (so, anyone who actually knows about this, provide some info on this 'cause I don't know), but if there is other kind of pleasure then great.
When it comes to pre-op transwomen, sure, why not. We'd have some experimenting to do but that's in itself interesting so...yeah.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
also, to go further -- and this is a potentially more controversial statement -- I would not date a black woman, and almost certainly would not date an Asian woman. a Hispanic woman is more of a grey area, but if it came to a long-term relationship and having children, I would want a partner that I viewed as 'white'. I would not want to raise non-white children.
No worries this is no controversial statement.
It's a biggoted statement worthy of a ban. Nice to have had you here, bye bye now.
FKA LinksRadikal
“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
hope I don't get banned for, essentially, elucidating on a statement such as 'I am not sexually attracted to non-white women'. if I'm not supposed to speak openly about such issues here I won't, it's not terribly important to me.
Yes, some of the responses here seem to be reducing transpeople to the sum of our genitalia.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
Yes. I'm a bisexual male, and you fancy who you fancy.
Charity is a woefully inadequate means of partial restitution
Oscar Wilde, from his essay 'The Soul of Man Under Socialism'
You know it probably would have been marginally less offensive of you to say simple "I am not sexually attracted to non-white women," instead of taking a position which in all honesty translates to "ain't no nigga blood gon' pollute my kids!" Seriously why didn't you word it exactly like that, rather than trying to sugarcoat it?
I mean you've just gone and made a hierarchy of preference - definitely not 'black,' probably not 'Asian,' possibly not 'Hispanic' - based entirely on how nearly white these groups are. The whiter the better. What, so you can walk around with your kid and your buddies might still think they're a 'pure breed' or something, so they might still 'pass' as white?
No no, you're definitely supposed to. How else would we know about your racism? We really don't like it when people keep such secrets from us...
