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Thing that pisses me off about this, being half norwiegan, Is being told by people who don't have a fucking clue about the country, that it has a huge Nazi problem, and everyone is racist...All because of one maniac fanatic.
Like it or not, the level of repulsion not only to his actions but also to his ideas was on a very bold scale. Right-wingers where equally as shocked and appalled as left-wingers. It was such a bad crime for the country to deal with that it almost changed the law so he could go to prison for life. This was actually one of the reasons behind declaring him insane. It meant that they could keep him under surveillance, and kept away from society, for the rest of his life.
Hes trial is still going on? firing squad on day one after admitting guilt would have been the proper punishment.
Thank you Rednordman, insight, can't even bring myself to use his name. There are 2 diagnosis, conflicting, no doubt the powers that be wish to keep all options open. What I have observed there seems to be a progressive force in the prison system that seeks to reform the prisoner. That principle must be protected. Mad, bad or a psychopath, a true assessment must be made and the country must seek to find closure and full chance for bereavement and healing. Doing the right thing can aid in that process. In truth I don't think whilst Norwegian War-planes are involved with bombing countries like Libya people can allow themselves to be distracted by this fiend. A forlorn hope . I just hope he is locked away and forgotten about .
Night has one thousand eyes
no you don't, because you'd be sleeping in a prison ffs.
I'm bound to stay
Where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk
That invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
My gut instinct wants to see him lying in a ditch, covered in petrol, on fire (kudos for those who get the quote). My sensible side, however, says we should avoid implementing policies that he himself would advocate for those he opposes.
So his prison cell isn't the maggot-infested hellhole he deserves. That alone is a small victory over this slimebag and the vile venom that passes for his politics.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS
I fucking hate this guys smug attitude about the whole thing. He obviously just doesn't give a shit. I'm surprised none of the victims family has tried to avenge their loved ones by killing this guy. I mean I was expecting hm to be lynched by a mob by now, which I wouldn't mind at all.
he isn't declared sane, he's declared responsible for what he has done, meaning that the two new psychiatrists don't think we can blame what he has done on his personality disturbances (or whatever it's called). Because obviously he is insane, at least in the popular definition of the word. The argument here isn't whether he's insane or not, but whether he's so insane that he can be seen as not responsible for what he's done.
"What is necessary is to go beyond any false opposition of programme versus spontaneity. Communism is both the self-activity of the proletariat and the rigorous theoretical critique that expresses and anticipates it."
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"...Stalinism is eternally condemned to govern capital, and the ideological dynamics of Stalinism are tied to this peculiar type of capital management; it is locked within this framework, reproducing the logic of capitalism under the veil of communism. For this reason, Stalinism, and its various derivatives, cannot accurately be regarded as communist if we choose to define it in materialist terms." - Tim Cornelis
No, I don't think "Harsh Prison" will do anything but ideologically strengthen him. He isn't to be catagorized amongst the likes of the common criminal, i.e. He's a fairly intelligent and sane individual who did not butcher those young for emotional reasons.
[FONT="Courier New"] “We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky [/FONT]
لا شيء يمكن وقف محاكم التفتيش للثورة
This sort of legalistic nonsense is always stupid, however. People who believe in these culture-war things and want to defend the European Homeland against the "muslim hordes" or whatever are obviously detached one way or another from reality and have issues of perception and understanding. I don't think that a disturbed person who is aware of his actions is any different from one who is utterly demented and chants rituals to unseen associates. And even a person condemned to treatment or internment is held responsible for what has been done.
Part of this re-trial comes both on his own insistence and the insistence of those deluded souls who are unaware of the fact that people sentenced to forced mental care for crime generally serve twice as long as a common criminal in a regular jail.
What they really should do, to get at him bad, is to refuse him any attention whatsoever. That, I think, would be the worst thing that could happen to him, because he is so hungry for attention, it's frankly the only thing he seems to care about. Dresses gaudy during trial hearings so he can get another note in the newspapers, gets discussed. Media silence on him would hurt him more than anything, and would likewise make it less likely that we'd see worshippers who end up seeing the scum as a martyr and feel inspired.
People who have been diagnosed as clinically insane are not legally responsible for their actions and therefore can't face criminal sentences.
This is exactly what has happened, the other psychiatrist is of the opinion that Breivik is not insane. There is no degree here to be discussed.
And it's not at all obvious that he is insane (by whatever this vague notion of popular definition of insanity - when this "pupular" definition is by itself ideological).
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
dodger, Luc, Q, Zukunftsmusik
here here.
especially where libya is concerned.
how come it is easier for people to hate individuals who do mass brutal killings.... than the far more powerful and far more potent force for bad; which is the many governments that commit the same heinous crimes but always on a much larger scale.
i think i know why....
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brb robbing a bank in Norway
"It is not history which uses men as a means of achieving - as if it were an individual person - its own ends. History is nothing but the activity of men in pursuit of their ends."
- Karl Marx
my bedroom is nicer than that norwegian prison cell but being locked in it for 20 years wouldn't be much fun. critical thinking - try it!
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
I think he should be charged as a political terrorist with the heaviest charge possible for that distinction.
Now while it's a horrible crime and a huge tragedy, we don't need to roll up our selves and start foaming at the mouth.
But now we must pick up every piece
Of the life we used to love
Just to keep ourselves
At least enough to carry on
Completely insane.
And not "revolutionary" at all.
Luís Henrique
But the question is, would you want to be confined to that for 20 years?
The punishment is deprivation of liberty, not deprivation of dignity. Or so it should be.
Luís Henrique
And then we don't understand why the left isn't popular...
Luís Henrique
Him being declared sane means he'll just get a longer jail sentance... I guess thats good in a way.
Brevik's political views and motivations are repugnant, and his crime horrendous. Nevertheless, now he is safely contained, following his prosecution and conviction, he should continue to be detained in a secure and humane setting.
Charity is a woefully inadequate means of partial restitution
Oscar Wilde, from his essay 'The Soul of Man Under Socialism'
My dream is to commit a crime in Norway and go to one of their prisons.
Partija Rada (Party of Labour)
