View Poll Results: Which is most important (if you had to pick one of these)

Voters 63. This poll is closed
  • Economic Equality (ensuring no one is richer or has more economic clout than anyone else)

    28 44.44%
  • Personal Freedom (no oppression of individual expression, belief or lifestyle no matter what it is)

    11 17.46%
  • Human Diversity (Encouraging cohesion of all people regardless of 'race', sexuality, disability etc)

    3 4.76%
  • Prosperity - (Ensure high standard of living, access to quality goods and services)

    21 33.33%

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    Default What drives your politics?

    We all have a certain ethos or tendency based on what we feel is right, but which of the areas listed, if you had to choose, is the most important reason for you beliefs / politics. In other words, which of the above is the most important to you?
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    Personal self interest. I do not own property, I'm never likely to own property therefore it is in my best interests to abolish it.
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    Eh? What list?
    Well I suppose the primary drive for my revolutionary politics is a desire for justice.

    (In before moralism/objectivism shitstorm)
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    Apologies, poll / list was not finished before I posted
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    My politics are driven by a fundamental hatred for any imaginable form of politics.

    EDIT: now that the options are up...I went for prosperity - it's more to do with the other options not exactly speaking to me for this or that reason - though I don't actually agree with how it's framed; I don't think a high standard of living is about being prosperous in the sense of monetary or material wealth, and I would happily relinquish all semblance of 'prosperity' if this would result in an increased prosperity of existence, that is to say, if it lead to individuals and societies prospering as individuals and societies, detached from any pursuit of prosperity as riches.
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    My love of liberty.
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    I see economic equality as being a major factor in personal freedom, but for the purposes of the question I went with economic freedom.
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    For an end to the whispers of the lives of the rich, for an end of the ability of capital to get its own way at the expense of ordinary people, and for an end to the politics that is driven by Capitalism.
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    Doesn't this poll seem redundant? I think everyone who is a communist likes all four of those things.

    For the sake of voting, I chose economic equality, since changing the material conditions is the only thing that will fulfill the three other options.
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    Building the strongest workers state that the world will come to know (stronger and larger than the 1920's USSR) which will usher in the age of the dictatorship of the proletariat and allow the proletariat to seize control of the world's destiny.
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    Building the strongest workers state that the world will come to know (stronger and larger than the 1920's USSR) which will usher in the age of the dictatorship of the proletariat and allow the proletariat to seize control of the world's destiny.
    Could you make a thread outlining your view on a socialist state? Thanks.
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    No vote, all of them in a special way. If you get one of them, it's sure that in a some way it will be exxagerations or it would be abused by the people.
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    This poll seems meaningless to me. All of the options are inseperable from one another.

    Building the strongest workers state that the world will come to know (stronger and larger than the 1920's USSR) which will usher in the age of the dictatorship of the proletariat and allow the proletariat to seize control of the world's destiny.
    This sounds almost reformist. We need a big state to "allow" the proletariat to seize control, instead of, say, the proletariat carrying out revolution for itself? Can you elaborate on this?
    "All immediatists [. . .] want to get rid of society and put in its place a particular group of workers. This group they choose from the confines of one of the various prisons which constitute the bourgeois society of 'free men' i.e. the factory, the trade, the territorial or legal patch. Their entire miserable effort consists in telling the non-free, the non-citizens, the non-individuals [. . .] to envy and imitate their oppressors: be independent! free! be citizens! people! In a word: be bourgeois!" -Amadeo Bordiga, "Fundamentals of Revolutionary Communism"
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    I didn't cast a vote because the possible selections were too vague. I pursue economic equality for a labors output, a government governed by the majority (proletariat), state control over vital resources and production to benefit the populace as a whole, abolish racism and replace them with two demographics : proletariat and bourgeois.
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    All four.
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    This poll seems meaningless to me. All of the options are inseperable from one another.



    This sounds almost reformist. We need a big state to "allow" the proletariat to seize control, instead of, say, the proletariat carrying out revolution for itself? Can you elaborate on this?
    The workers state is the proletarian state after the proletariat seizes control through the vanguard party and the vanguard is made up of elected officials from the proletariat and the intellectual classes who lead the popular front (vanguard party) forward through shared political power and inevitably the popular front helps in the construction and organizing of workers council which function as the workers state.
    Afterward, revolution is supported throughout other like-minded global Eastern nations who form a pact together and found similar states and inevitably form a strangle-hold and state a long, cold conflict until capitalism is choked out as a global system and the workers pact prevails allowing for political revolution in the global West and a communist victory.
    It's hardly reformism as without the revolution this will not occur.
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    I voted prosperity.

    This because i am making minimum wage and with my father on unemployment and my mother not working i am the only one with a wage that adds to the household income.

    I can live with some super rich asshole being my boss if me and my parents where able to live in financial security and without needing to scrape every cent together to buy our grocery's and pay the rent.
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    What I want and what I feel does not drive my politics. My materialist knowledge of the fact that the producers of the world should own the world instead of those who steal from their labor does.
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    I'm doing it for the lulz.

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    I voted for liberty. I initially became sceptical of the legitimacy of capitalism when I realised that it in most cases does more to threaten and stifle personal liberty than to enhance it. I could also have voted for prosperity because now I see that this system just doesn´t make any fucking sense. It´s arbitrarily wasteful when it comes to the time, effort and lives of those who don´t belong to the ruling class.
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