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Why was homosexuality illegal in the Soviet Union during the Stalin era?
Can you answer that question, marxist-leninists?
Because he thought is was Western "Bourgeois Decadence." When socialism was built he thought it would go away but when it didn't he brought back the repressive Tsarist laws.
I honestly do not know which is more absurd: condemning homosexuality bases on what a invisible skyman supposedly said (Religion) or condemning it based on materialist superstition.
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Should it be legal?
Come on now, drug addicts should be more legal than the homosexuals.
You also have to recognize it was a different time and era. There were very few memebers of the left that advocated equal rights for homosexuals, it just wasn't an issue that was considered or even brought up often. Some Anarchists were outspoken and supported it (Goldman) and others were against it. A Spanish journalist in the 30s wrote, ""If you are an anarchist, that means that you are more morally upright and physically strong than the average man. And he who likes inverts is no real man, and is therefore no real anarchist." There's been many cases of homosexuals being expelled from communist parties as well (Rene Crevel comes to mind).
Times are different. Most people of left support equal rights for homosexuals to the fullest extent. The days of 'bourgeois decadence' being seen as the "cause" for homosexuality are, for the most part, over. But I do think that Bob Avakian's party still upholds this idea.
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Here's the really short answer: Stalin was a homophobe.
No,the RCP supports homosexual liberation now, but the move was somewhat recent (a decade or so ago I believe). However, they never acknowledged that they discriminated against Queer people; one day they were homophobic while the next they were not, no mention has ever been made of the change.
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I don't know much about this, but I think it'd be safe to assume it was at least partially because homosexuality doesn't increase population, right? Wasn't abortion a punishable offense, as well?
"Nothing is more terrible than the logic of selfishness." -Karl Marx
"The founders of Marxism cautioned that one should not believe 'what each age claims and boasts about itself.' Of course this must apply also to Marxist historians."
Such is usually the justification, yes. I would be surprised, however, if such was the extent of why Stalin was such a reactionary in regards to human rights.I don't know much about this, but I think it'd be safe to assume it was at least partially because homosexuality doesn't increase population, right? Wasn't abortion a punishable offense, as well?
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True though this is, it didn't stop homosexuality being lawful when Lenin was leader. I'm not sure I buy the "It didn't increase population" defence.
It has to be understood in context, it's no coincidence that a whole bunch of progressive positions just happened to be swept away at the same time all semblance of democracy ceased to be and at the time leading bolsheviks were executed en masse.
Before Stalin's clique rose to power the bolsheviks had some pretty fucked views about homosexuality but it was a conscious decision to make it legal, i mention this only to preempt the inevitable apologism to come of 'the bolsheviks didn't really make homosexuality legal they just abolished the czarist legal code'
"[Soviet legislation] declares the absolute non-interference of the state and society into sexual matters, so long as nobody is injured and no one’s interests are encroached upon. Concerning homosexuality, sodomy, and various other forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European legislation as offences against morality--Soviet legislation treats these exactly as so-called 'natural' intercourse. All forms of sexual intercourse are private matters." - Dr. Grigorii Batkis (director Moscow Institute of Social Hygiene), The Sexual Revolution in Russia, 1923. [Emphasis in original]
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It's the same justification the Christian right uses today. They claim marriage is for making babies and gays can't do that. The justification is weak now and it was weak back then. Though it does reveal a lot about how the Christian right views sex, relationships and women.I don't know much about this, but I think it'd be safe to assume it was at least partially because homosexuality doesn't increase population, right? Wasn't abortion a punishable offense, as well?
Stalin got it wrong. A million deaths under socialism is an atrocity. A million deaths under capitalism is a statistic.
'Trotsky explained that a nationalised planned economy needs democracy as the human body needs oxygen.' Alan Woods in a summary of The Revolution Betrayed
stalin needed babies to eat
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Well they changed a bunch of stuff to encourage people to have big families so they thought the good ol' "swallow your gayness and get a wife" line would help increase their numbers as well. Maybe Stalin was just a frustrated man in denial of his own sexuality...
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It seems like accusing Peter The Great for not being "democratic". Most here forgot that some decade before that, sexuality of woman had been considered "abnormal, obscene" even in the US. Women also has sexual desires has been "discovered" in those times.
During the medieval era, in the middle east, it's pretty common for a father to gift his son a donkey for animal sex. Well, I want to know how many liberal "democratic" countries today will allow it? If not, what kind of phobic those rulers are?
Cite, please. Sounds like bullshit
Are there any places that I could go to find some of these fathers nowadays?I won't make a habit of it, I swear.
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I wasn't trying to justify/defend banning it 'cause it doesn't increase population. I was simply guessing that this could've been part of the reason it was outlawed.
...To clarify.
"Nothing is more terrible than the logic of selfishness." -Karl Marx
"The founders of Marxism cautioned that one should not believe 'what each age claims and boasts about itself.' Of course this must apply also to Marxist historians."
implying they didn't do the same thing with sheep in europe
e: still do
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Because if decadent homosexuals were allowed to marry, sissiness would infect the soviet man like a virus and the USSR would lose WW2. But of course that's what the Trotskyite revisionists wanted.
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