There is no Marxist explanation...only a capitalist one. Exploitation.
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How did China develop so fast?
I can't find a Marxist explanation.
There is no Marxist explanation...only a capitalist one. Exploitation.
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Really? It's pretty simple.
Influx of foreign capital.
No such system was in China at the time of Mao.
It developed so fast because it followed proper Marxists theory (at the time of Mao's leadership) i.e. no corporations, dictatorship of the Proletariat, and so on and so forth
However now-a-days things are different. Reforms ruined the People's Republic and allowed corrupt businesses to take advantage of the Chinese worker. Such as GM, GE, and Walmart.
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Except that in the era of imperialism, capitalist exploitation doesn't move society forward, it pushes society backwards.
If capitalism is so great for China, why is it so bad for the USA, Europe, Japan and Africa and most of Latin America? Mexico just being one among many horrible examples?
And why are the peasants in India, the supposed other Third World country allegedly making great leaps and bounds, still starving and joining Maoist peasant revolts, and why is the urban population, except for the relatively small middle class, still living in garbage and shit?
If you could really make that much social progress through capitalist exploitation, then why the hell would we want to go to the trouble of making socialist revolution? People get killed in revolutions you know.
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It developed fast thanks to the aggressive industrialization under Mao Zedong. Similar to Russia's industrialization under Lenin and Stalin.
Yes there was.
China never had dictatorship of the Proletariat. Not even under Mao.
Capitalism can make a country develop much faster than feudalism.
Do you mean at the moment or X years ago?
No there wasn't.
There was no corporations in China until the reforms, when Mao wasn't in office.
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We want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.
~psycho
When did I say there was corporations? More than corporations can exploit the proletariat, you know.
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I think that this is a very important question, though it's ambiguous in its current formulation (what exactly did develop and in what a way?).
I'm not altogether familiar with the details of Chinese social and economic history of the past four or so decades. But it seems to me that an explanation should include by all means the fact that China, along other countries, has an immense pool of labour available, and due to competition capital, be it Chinese or foreign, might find a very profitable workforce to exploit. And I think that happened in the aftermath of the 70s crisis when capital in the so called advanced countries went seeking for a cheaper, more docile workforce to exploit.
Incidentally, to illustrate the point about the pool of labour available, contemporary Chinese imperialism is very specific in that it not only exports capital but also the workers in tens of thousands: http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2...orce-in-africa
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True,
but the living conditions of China were improving and actually going p for the first time since who knows how long. They all had houses to live in. And trust me in the time of Mao there was no exploitation
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We want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.
~psycho
I am as well
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We want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.
~psycho
This is true, there's no arguing that.
No, there was still exploitation, it may not have been as bad as it was before, but it was still there. This is how China was able to develop and industrialize so fast.
This is stupid.
The reason that China developed so quickly isn't exploitation, as all capitalist countries are exploitative.
China developed quickly because Maoism is an extremely effective form of capitalism in the third world. The elimination of the foreign bourgeoisie bolstered the development of the means of production and brought much of the peasantry into the cities. Not only that but combined with its social democratic policies and industrial initiatives (GLF) it managed to create a thriving economy.
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Do the piles of millions (estimates vary from 14 to 44 million) of dead bodies which resulted from the Great Leap Forward, that is, the terror-enforced social mobilisation of China, not count as ''exploitation''. There was also a high concentration of the chinese population in hard-labour camps, slaving away, at detrimental tasks, during Mao's era.
You should be a bit more clear on what you mean by ''exploitation''.
You don't need to evoke images of the poor Chinese slaving away while their counterparts in capitalists lived ever so freely. That's straight out of bourgeois propaganda. Extreme toil was present to a far greater extent before Mao, but
exploitation isn't about toiling, its an economic relationship. An economic relationship which existed before, during, and after Mao.
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
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I've once argued with a Maoist that claimed the infrastructure built in his time is greatly responsibly for the boom after the revisionist period.
You call yourself a Marxist, but your citing Western sources... For some odd reason your adding up deaths during a famine, and pinning it on Mao. I expect this out of a Capitalist, not a Marxist.
Here are the death rates of China from 1949 through 1989.
Notice that Death Rates in most of his rule were under 10 per thousand. This was lower than in most Western countries.
Also, life expectancy went from 35 to 65 in his tenure.
Have you been watching Fox News lately? Because it seems like you're quoting Glenn Beck.
I mean you do realize these numbers change everyday and are just ways for western media to gain support for anti-Communism.
But hey if you want to believe that whatever comes out of Glenn Beck's ad Rush Limbaugh's mouths that your problem
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We want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.
~psycho
Yet the deaths were the result of the same idiotic policy of forced collectivization that had proven to be so disastrous in the Soviet Union. The evidence was already quite clear on the matter, and that the Maoists undertook forced collectivization knowing full well that it would lead to the deaths of millions. It's difficult to deny Mao's agency and culpability. I have a hard time believing that forced collectivization would have taken place if he didn't want it to.
Stalin, on the other hand, can escape blame for the culpability of famine deaths as forced collectivization had never been tried and there was no way of knowing what the result would have been. Mao, on the other hand, has no excuse. He was an egomaniac who had zero regard for the lives of the Chinese people.
It's also stunningly hypocritical(though unsurprising, given that it's stalinists we're dealing with here) that you whine about someone using "anti-communist" sources when the only ones you are willing to use yourself are biased pro-Mao ones. You're not really in a position to be complaining about bias when objectivity is clearly very low on your list of priority.
A better question would be: How can you call yourself a Marxist while advocating Mao's comedically terrible doctrine of New Democracy, which advocates giving the bourgeoisie political power?
