Planned Parenthood Bombed in Wisconsin

[Rafiq]

Shut up and quit hating, and follow your religion underman, why don't you turn the other cheek.

I'm a fucking atheist, actually, moron.

[Rafiq]

Again, this is completely mechanical. It is not strictly a one way relationship. You are ignoring the reinforcing effect of ideology.
Ha ha, why thank you, tantrum prone high school student. I imagine I have been an atheist for longer than you have been alive.

I hate how people think they're so enlightened for being an atheist. It doesn't take shit to be an atheist, actually.

[Rafiq]

Again, this is completely mechanical. It is not strictly a one way relationship. You are ignoring the reinforcing effect of ideology.
Ha ha, why thank you, tantrum prone high school student. I imagine I have been an atheist for longer than you have been alive.

I find it hard to believe you've been an atheist (communist)for that long and still find it necessary to re assure it to yourself constantly by blaming things on religion. May as well blame the financial crisis on greed and corruption.

[thriller]

I find it hard to believe you've been an atheist (communist)for that long and still find it necessary to re assure it to yourself constantly by blaming things on religion. May as well blame the financial crisis on greed and corruption.

I like the ageism better.

[DrStrangelove]

This sort of activity is actually looked down upon by most Christians, in the same way that car-bombings are looked down upon by most Muslims.

This activity was committed by a very fringe, very reactionary sect of Christians that have been becoming more and more irrelevant among the religious in this country each day. They're doing this out of desperation.

[thriller]

This sort of activity is actually looked down upon by most Christians, in the same way that car-bombings are looked down upon by most Muslims.

This activity was committed by a very fringe, very reactionary sect of Christians that have been becoming more and more irrelevant among the religious in this country each day. They're doing this out of desperation.

Which makes it VERY desperate considering all the anti-abortion gains that have been made in the past 5-6 years.

[Robocommie]

Truth is not an epistemological construct. It is another word for a fact. You have fact and fiction. What is truth is factual. What is false is not.

Religiosity is really just undiagnosed mental illness. If you have conversations with someone who is not there or receive messages from him, you are schizophrenic, unless his name is "God" or "Jesus", in which case you're "religious". Delusion is delusion, whether it goes by the name God, Krsna, Jesus, Jove, Odin, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn. That is fact.

Fucking A. Alright, I'm done talking to you.

[Lilith]

I find it hard to believe you've been an atheist (communist)for that long and still find it necessary to re assure it to yourself constantly by blaming things on religion. May as well blame the financial crisis on greed and corruption.

Yes, I am constantly blaming things on religion because I have posted about it in one thread, and have been on this website for only a couple weeks. Cool strawman.

[Rafiq]

Yes, I am constantly blaming things on religion because I have posted about it in one thread, and have been on this website for only a couple weeks. Cool strawman.

You've stated the potential for reinforcement of Ideology. Of course, this is correct, something all materialists acknowledge. But should the mode of production necessitate otherwise (As it did at death of Feudalism), (the) Ideology itself can shatter to pieces, or, reinvent itself to adjust to these conditions.


Tell me why in the most religious fundamentalist of places, in the middle east, why political Islam was largely irrelevant and "Not taken seriously" only forty years ago. Where was the "Ideological Reinforcement" in this case? Why is it Islamism only became so popular after the fall of the Communist states and the increasing support for Islamist groups by Imperialist powers? What do you think necessitated support for Islamists? These are all questions you should be asking yourself.

[Neoprime]

I'm a fucking atheist, actually, moron.

Well use some critical thinking skill then.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Well use some critical thinking skill then.

critical thinking? as in being a prick to everyone that happens to be religious?

[Lilith]

You've stated the potential for reinforcement of Ideology. Of course, this is correct, something all materialists acknowledge. But should the mode of production necessitate otherwise (As it did at death of Feudalism), (the) Ideology itself can shatter to pieces, or, reinvent itself to adjust to these conditions.


Tell me why in the most religious fundamentalist of places, in the middle east, why political Islam was largely irrelevant and "Not taken seriously" only forty years ago. Where was the "Ideological Reinforcement" in this case? Why is it Islamism only became so popular after the fall of the Communist states and the increasing support for Islamist groups by Imperialist powers? What do you think necessitated support for Islamists? These are all questions you should be asking yourself.

I don't see how any of this post has anything to do with my comments in this thread, to be honest. I have never denied that religion is, in large part, an expression of material conditions. But as I have said several times by now, the same can be said of sexism and racism, and that does not and should not prevent communists from taking a stance against such ruling class ideologies. I am genuinely surprised to find that my opinion is so controversial here. I understand it is something of a meme on revleft, but it wouldn't hurt you to read some Lenin.

[Rafiq]

I don't see how any of this post has anything to do with my comments in this thread, to be honest. I have never denied that religion is, in large part, an expression of material conditions. But as I have said several times by now, the same can be said of sexism and racism, and that does not and should not prevent communists from taking a stance against such ruling class ideologies. I am genuinely surprised to find that my opinion is so controversial here. I understand it is something of a meme on revleft, but it wouldn't hurt you to read some Lenin.

Sexism and Racism, though, are concepts that have always been concepts of reactionaries, while religions, as we have seen, tend to almost always adjust to the material conditions of the time. All religions, whom only hundreds of years ago would have been seen barbaric, have been liberalized and fit to adjust to the global capitalist order. Sexism and Racism, on the other hand, have remained yes, not so much re invented but re deployed, i.e. The main characteristics of Sexism and Racism have always been the same, they have just been used in different ways by different ruling classes, (I.e. Class divide).

I do, completely, oppose religion. That doesn't mean being religious is antithetical to being a communist. Call it unhealthy, but such is the nature of all forms of Idealism, whether they be atheist or theist. The proletariat conscious opposes racism and sexism precisely because the working class is made up of Men, Women, and peoples of all races. As it is made up of individuals of several different religions (that isn't to say being opposed to religion is just as bad as sexism, racism, however, point is and these religions are easily adjusted to serve the interests of a class, as a whole.

[Le Libérer]

Not really in the bible it says "Eye for an Eye" or "Tooth for an Tooth".

Meaning if a woman wants to have an abortion and kill her baby(in the bible life is conceive at conception, and isn't sciencetific at all)and the doctor is about to abort the baby it is to ok to kill the doctor because the doctor is taking a life that cannot defend it self, so it life for a life.

What are you saying here, that women who have abortions should be killed? Please explain.

[Le Libérer]

There are very, very few abortion centers in America nowadays, incidentally.

Exactly, there is only one left in Mississippi, and its barely holding on.

[bcbm]

wouldnt take you for a grave robber cotr

[Le Libérer]

wouldnt take you for a grave robber cotr

Thats good to know.